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<blockquote data-quote="RoosTah" data-source="post: 652066" data-attributes="member: 12207"><p>This comment to me shows you haven't watched very much rugby league outside of the few world cup games last year. There would never be anywhere near as many rucks as there are play-the-balls in a Union game, but that's got nothing to do with offloads... If you pulled up the stats from the last State of Origin match you'd find NSW basically offloaded their way to victory against Queensland. Offloading, or "second phase play", as they call it in League, is critical in big games, as it effectively increases the number of tackles in your set and the defence is often already back peddling. Sonny Bill Williams is the best offloader in League or Union, and he basically offloaded us to the Grand Final win in last year's NRL Premiership. Indeed, SBW would complete more offloads on his own than some whole teams would in union, which says something given SBW was formed by League. </p><p></p><p>No, the reason you'd always have fewer rucks than play the balls, is because in union significant portions of the game are taken up by set-piece competition in scrums (which often have multiple resets) and line-outs. The fact is the ball is simply tied up in these mini games at quite frequent intervals, so it's unrealistic to expect that the number of rucks would be remotely close to the number of play the balls, as in League ball in play is king - which is precisely why the play the ball was introduced.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The NFL has the highest average crowds of any football comp in the world... memberships for teams like the Green Bay Packers have decades long waiting lists, so I think it's fair to say the game is about more than just commercials for the yanks.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, your argument still makes zero sense from a business perspective because your underlying assumption is that the game is somehow missing this huge potential market... basically the product you're promoting is the "New Coke" of football; a product brought out because you somehow think it address issues you imagine are preventing a wider audience from embracing your product, but ultimately alienates your existing consumer base whilst failing to win any new fans from the imaginary wider market. What's the old say? The old saying "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" sums it up really.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Your point is somewhat contradictory and confusing here... a penalty in Rugby <strong><em>is </em></strong>worth the same whether it is awarded at half-way or a millimetre from the try-line, and it is worth <strong><em>less than half </em></strong>a fully converted try, which is the rugby equivalent to an open play soccer goal. Hence why I suggest a two tier scoring system (particularly given how often those box penalties are awarded due to dives). If rugby worked like soccer did, you would be awarded the opportunity for a one-on-one attacking opportunity against the full back in what would almost basically be a 50-50 opportunity for a try. </p><p></p><p>But anyway, I don't really care as I just don't follow the game. It was just something I put to that mate of mine when watching a match with him that was decided by some cheat falling over and clutching his leg (in spite of not being touched) when in the box. Just seems to happen too often for mine... but soccer fans don't have an issue with it because no one has ever messed with the scoring system. </p><p></p><p>I just can't wrap my head around why a game would want to encourage diving by making the rewards so juicy, but again, soccer fans tell me diving is just part of the game... Likewise, whilst you can't wrap your head around the play-the-ball, League fans consider it a clean and fast solution for recycling the ball without the threat of it getting bogged down like rucks do.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RoosTah, post: 652066, member: 12207"] This comment to me shows you haven't watched very much rugby league outside of the few world cup games last year. There would never be anywhere near as many rucks as there are play-the-balls in a Union game, but that's got nothing to do with offloads... If you pulled up the stats from the last State of Origin match you'd find NSW basically offloaded their way to victory against Queensland. Offloading, or "second phase play", as they call it in League, is critical in big games, as it effectively increases the number of tackles in your set and the defence is often already back peddling. Sonny Bill Williams is the best offloader in League or Union, and he basically offloaded us to the Grand Final win in last year's NRL Premiership. Indeed, SBW would complete more offloads on his own than some whole teams would in union, which says something given SBW was formed by League. No, the reason you'd always have fewer rucks than play the balls, is because in union significant portions of the game are taken up by set-piece competition in scrums (which often have multiple resets) and line-outs. The fact is the ball is simply tied up in these mini games at quite frequent intervals, so it's unrealistic to expect that the number of rucks would be remotely close to the number of play the balls, as in League ball in play is king - which is precisely why the play the ball was introduced. The NFL has the highest average crowds of any football comp in the world... memberships for teams like the Green Bay Packers have decades long waiting lists, so I think it's fair to say the game is about more than just commercials for the yanks. Anyway, your argument still makes zero sense from a business perspective because your underlying assumption is that the game is somehow missing this huge potential market... basically the product you're promoting is the "New Coke" of football; a product brought out because you somehow think it address issues you imagine are preventing a wider audience from embracing your product, but ultimately alienates your existing consumer base whilst failing to win any new fans from the imaginary wider market. What's the old say? The old saying "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" sums it up really. Your point is somewhat contradictory and confusing here... a penalty in Rugby [B][I]is [/I][/B]worth the same whether it is awarded at half-way or a millimetre from the try-line, and it is worth [B][I]less than half [/I][/B]a fully converted try, which is the rugby equivalent to an open play soccer goal. Hence why I suggest a two tier scoring system (particularly given how often those box penalties are awarded due to dives). If rugby worked like soccer did, you would be awarded the opportunity for a one-on-one attacking opportunity against the full back in what would almost basically be a 50-50 opportunity for a try. But anyway, I don't really care as I just don't follow the game. It was just something I put to that mate of mine when watching a match with him that was decided by some cheat falling over and clutching his leg (in spite of not being touched) when in the box. Just seems to happen too often for mine... but soccer fans don't have an issue with it because no one has ever messed with the scoring system. I just can't wrap my head around why a game would want to encourage diving by making the rewards so juicy, but again, soccer fans tell me diving is just part of the game... Likewise, whilst you can't wrap your head around the play-the-ball, League fans consider it a clean and fast solution for recycling the ball without the threat of it getting bogged down like rucks do. [/QUOTE]
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