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<blockquote data-quote="Not Mike Brown&#039;s Sock" data-source="post: 1022332" data-attributes="member: 72041"><p>Ah yeah, cause all free trade areas have all the branches of a state, a flag etc... That's why there was a fundmental pivot from both sides of the aisle in the UK when the EU stopped being first and foremost a trade area - it describes itself as "an economic and political union" first and foremost, not a free trade area.</p><p></p><p>Regardless of whether you acknowledge that, can you still see why then those people advocating for it believe the CPTPP is an argeement much more inkeeping with the principles of both enabling free trade, whilst also preserving national sovreignty. Even then, the CPTPP is not perfect on the latter point, and as I mentioned earlier, is likely to lead to the UK facing some lawsuits in 20/25 years, which is why it has been criticised by some conservatives - yet, it is still more in keeping with those principles than the EU is.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Obviously I acknowledge there is logistical issues with all international trade, especially on the other side of the world. My frustration is that at this point, a decent chunk of the populus seems to rubbish any progress as entirely frivolous - which is just cyclical negativity with the end result being the UK becoming that insular, protectionist, fringe island state that that same chunk of people accused the Brexiteers of trying to make it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Not Mike Brown's Sock, post: 1022332, member: 72041"] Ah yeah, cause all free trade areas have all the branches of a state, a flag etc... That's why there was a fundmental pivot from both sides of the aisle in the UK when the EU stopped being first and foremost a trade area - it describes itself as "an economic and political union" first and foremost, not a free trade area. Regardless of whether you acknowledge that, can you still see why then those people advocating for it believe the CPTPP is an argeement much more inkeeping with the principles of both enabling free trade, whilst also preserving national sovreignty. Even then, the CPTPP is not perfect on the latter point, and as I mentioned earlier, is likely to lead to the UK facing some lawsuits in 20/25 years, which is why it has been criticised by some conservatives - yet, it is still more in keeping with those principles than the EU is. Obviously I acknowledge there is logistical issues with all international trade, especially on the other side of the world. My frustration is that at this point, a decent chunk of the populus seems to rubbish any progress as entirely frivolous - which is just cyclical negativity with the end result being the UK becoming that insular, protectionist, fringe island state that that same chunk of people accused the Brexiteers of trying to make it. [/QUOTE]
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