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<blockquote data-quote="Bada-Bing!" data-source="post: 1040150" data-attributes="member: 70552"><p>I don't think it's their explanations which is the problem, but the process by which the victim's families have had to go through the last 32 years. I am fully aware of the points of law that the judge made in this case which dismiss the charges against the police officers and solicitor in this case, but this case is just one of a catelogue of failures of the justice system going back 32 years. </p><p></p><p>This case was dismissed on a point of law that the accused they couldn't have perverted the course of justice because the statements were prepared for a public enquiry was just a legal process not a court of law - ergo they could not as a matter of law be perverting the course of justice. WTF? They had no duty to fully disclose and tell the whole truth, which they would have had to in criminal proceedings, which is frankly utter BS! </p><p></p><p>The HIP report in 2012 is well worth a read on this on what really happened. </p><p><a href="https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/229038/0581.pdf" target="_blank">https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/229038/0581.pdf</a>. </p><p></p><p>And the subsequent 2016 inquest findings of unlawful killing, which is the only crumb of comfort to come out of this. I still speak to people/football fans now about this and they still have it in their heads that it was partly due the Liverpool fans fault that day that caused the crush because they have it in their heads that they were a bunch of hooligans. And worst still it was come kind of Karma because of Heysel and those were very different days when football fans were assumed to be hooligans because that is why they were back then. But none of them had bothered reading the HIP findings above. And Liverpool fans are forever crying victimhood.</p><p></p><p>To have the defence barristers then come out afterwards with - well this totally exonerates the police and carrying on the lie that the fans were to blame yet again just rubs salt into the wound.</p><p></p><p>Hillsborough is just one example of what Pete Wetherby summed up:</p><p></p><p></p><p>This is what has got to change in the justice system in such tragedies - Grenfell, Manchester Arena Bombings etc. Or as one of the family of the victims says, this will just repeat and we have the biggest one coming up. It's bad enough the families losing their loved ones, and not have the justice system rub salt in the wound to top it off, which is what these families have had to face and their main complaint from day 1. </p><p></p><p>Still, it looks like this is end in terms of bringing anyone to account for Hillsborough, and the victim's families will instead have to pour their energies into the Hillsborough Law to ensure lessons are learnt and the 96 didn't die for nothing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bada-Bing!, post: 1040150, member: 70552"] I don't think it's their explanations which is the problem, but the process by which the victim's families have had to go through the last 32 years. I am fully aware of the points of law that the judge made in this case which dismiss the charges against the police officers and solicitor in this case, but this case is just one of a catelogue of failures of the justice system going back 32 years. This case was dismissed on a point of law that the accused they couldn't have perverted the course of justice because the statements were prepared for a public enquiry was just a legal process not a court of law - ergo they could not as a matter of law be perverting the course of justice. WTF? They had no duty to fully disclose and tell the whole truth, which they would have had to in criminal proceedings, which is frankly utter BS! The HIP report in 2012 is well worth a read on this on what really happened. [URL]https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/229038/0581.pdf[/URL]. And the subsequent 2016 inquest findings of unlawful killing, which is the only crumb of comfort to come out of this. I still speak to people/football fans now about this and they still have it in their heads that it was partly due the Liverpool fans fault that day that caused the crush because they have it in their heads that they were a bunch of hooligans. And worst still it was come kind of Karma because of Heysel and those were very different days when football fans were assumed to be hooligans because that is why they were back then. But none of them had bothered reading the HIP findings above. And Liverpool fans are forever crying victimhood. To have the defence barristers then come out afterwards with - well this totally exonerates the police and carrying on the lie that the fans were to blame yet again just rubs salt into the wound. Hillsborough is just one example of what Pete Wetherby summed up: This is what has got to change in the justice system in such tragedies - Grenfell, Manchester Arena Bombings etc. Or as one of the family of the victims says, this will just repeat and we have the biggest one coming up. It's bad enough the families losing their loved ones, and not have the justice system rub salt in the wound to top it off, which is what these families have had to face and their main complaint from day 1. Still, it looks like this is end in terms of bringing anyone to account for Hillsborough, and the victim's families will instead have to pour their energies into the Hillsborough Law to ensure lessons are learnt and the 96 didn't die for nothing. [/QUOTE]
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