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<blockquote data-quote="ncurd" data-source="post: 1042311" data-attributes="member: 72205"><p>I saw some analysis recently part of the issue is the fact unions are to some extent part of the past. Many people due to minimum wages and tightening up of labour laws aren't reliant on them in the way they once were. Of course some professions still are. However because your union was important the ties with Labour and your actual living outlook was tied up with that you voted regardless of your actual views on other matters. This gave Labour an extremely strong base which could be relied on even if those people were on social matters were conservatives. You essentially had two kinds of Labour voter the working class person who believed "in the cause" and working class person who voted Labour because his union fought for their wages.</p><p></p><p>There is no easy to win those people back because they were never with you in the first place. It doesn't help the 'broad' appeal of the Tories means on electoral math they need less votes per seat and pretty much always have done. Labour has to get better at showing how they defend working class people again but I'm not sure how, my Dad had a "middle class" job and the South West was never a hotbed of union activity. But the issue on those matters is "Labour don't care about us anymore they care about the gays" and even when you point out they do and do far more for the the Tories they simply don't want to listen. Plus as I said earlier this thread Bob the old union guy can't "learn to code" (a phase as a software engineer I detest because it literally takes years to learn to do things properly), his actual profession in manufacturing is unlikely to ever come back, so its a lot easier to blame someone else rather than successive governements screwing him over.</p><p></p><p>In reality most people vote for more progressive parties so its not quite the doom and gloom it first seams like. Its why talks of electoral pacts are so vocal.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Labour being ****** in Scotland is part of the reason why they have to consider it. Stop fighting unwinnable battles against people that broadly agree with you and put efforts in the seats you can win.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ncurd, post: 1042311, member: 72205"] I saw some analysis recently part of the issue is the fact unions are to some extent part of the past. Many people due to minimum wages and tightening up of labour laws aren't reliant on them in the way they once were. Of course some professions still are. However because your union was important the ties with Labour and your actual living outlook was tied up with that you voted regardless of your actual views on other matters. This gave Labour an extremely strong base which could be relied on even if those people were on social matters were conservatives. You essentially had two kinds of Labour voter the working class person who believed "in the cause" and working class person who voted Labour because his union fought for their wages. There is no easy to win those people back because they were never with you in the first place. It doesn't help the 'broad' appeal of the Tories means on electoral math they need less votes per seat and pretty much always have done. Labour has to get better at showing how they defend working class people again but I'm not sure how, my Dad had a "middle class" job and the South West was never a hotbed of union activity. But the issue on those matters is "Labour don't care about us anymore they care about the gays" and even when you point out they do and do far more for the the Tories they simply don't want to listen. Plus as I said earlier this thread Bob the old union guy can't "learn to code" (a phase as a software engineer I detest because it literally takes years to learn to do things properly), his actual profession in manufacturing is unlikely to ever come back, so its a lot easier to blame someone else rather than successive governements screwing him over. In reality most people vote for more progressive parties so its not quite the doom and gloom it first seams like. Its why talks of electoral pacts are so vocal. Labour being ****** in Scotland is part of the reason why they have to consider it. Stop fighting unwinnable battles against people that broadly agree with you and put efforts in the seats you can win. [/QUOTE]
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