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<blockquote data-quote="Not Mike Brown&#039;s Sock" data-source="post: 1042314" data-attributes="member: 72041"><p>It would just perpetuate the problem of the "anti-British" narrative that they've already been caught up in imo. It would see their support suffer in England even more as well I think.</p><p></p><p>They would absolutely poach a few from the SNP who arent ardent nationalists, but I think they've probably flipped already so i dont know how much potential there still is there.</p><p></p><p>Labour need to properly examine themselves, their identity and whether they ever actually want to be in power. </p><p></p><p>Regardless of the truth, they are percieved by the voters they have lost to be anti-british, super woke, untrustworthy and more interested in helping other countries than the British people. This may or may not be the truth, but in politics that rarely matters unfortunately - anything Labour do to perpetuate that narrative will further condemn them into irrelevance (any sort of alliance with the SNP would do that). If Labour want to have even the slimmest chance in the next election they need to stop worrying about the tories, who are absolutely made of teflon, and focus on being British and not perpetuating those perceptions that have lost them support. </p><p></p><p>They could of course be super moralistic and stick by those principles that have been negatively associated with them, but then they also condemn themselves to never have a chance to put their legislative principles into action. </p><p></p><p>There has to be some give and take - the tories have done that very successfully. They've delivered on Brexit and some right wing principles and rhetoric, but have also spent huge swathes of money that have allowed them to catch many in the centre and on the left as well whilst not being too economically left to force those real right wingers to leave the party. Theyve worked out how to toe the line.</p><p></p><p> Ultimately, this is not a government acting very "conservatively", but has managed to construct a rhetoric that it is, meaning its been able to target multiple camps - Labour need to learn from that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Not Mike Brown's Sock, post: 1042314, member: 72041"] It would just perpetuate the problem of the "anti-British" narrative that they've already been caught up in imo. It would see their support suffer in England even more as well I think. They would absolutely poach a few from the SNP who arent ardent nationalists, but I think they've probably flipped already so i dont know how much potential there still is there. Labour need to properly examine themselves, their identity and whether they ever actually want to be in power. Regardless of the truth, they are percieved by the voters they have lost to be anti-british, super woke, untrustworthy and more interested in helping other countries than the British people. This may or may not be the truth, but in politics that rarely matters unfortunately - anything Labour do to perpetuate that narrative will further condemn them into irrelevance (any sort of alliance with the SNP would do that). If Labour want to have even the slimmest chance in the next election they need to stop worrying about the tories, who are absolutely made of teflon, and focus on being British and not perpetuating those perceptions that have lost them support. They could of course be super moralistic and stick by those principles that have been negatively associated with them, but then they also condemn themselves to never have a chance to put their legislative principles into action. There has to be some give and take - the tories have done that very successfully. They've delivered on Brexit and some right wing principles and rhetoric, but have also spent huge swathes of money that have allowed them to catch many in the centre and on the left as well whilst not being too economically left to force those real right wingers to leave the party. Theyve worked out how to toe the line. Ultimately, this is not a government acting very "conservatively", but has managed to construct a rhetoric that it is, meaning its been able to target multiple camps - Labour need to learn from that. [/QUOTE]
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