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<blockquote data-quote="Ragey Erasmus" data-source="post: 1069279" data-attributes="member: 56232"><p>Wording is important. He said he is sorry that "people THOUGHT the government wasn't obeying the rules" rather than sorry they didn't follow the rules. A subtle distinction but it's a way of avoiding an admission of guilty, you are claiming to be sorry for what someone else thinks, not what you have done. So in other words, he actually hasn't apologised for it at all. If you look at his apologies, nowhere does he ever actually say they did anything wrong, he just regrets how it appears. In essence, it's not an apology or admission of guilt at all. That subtle distinction in wording will not have been lost on Starmer as it is also a lawyer tactic and they are very careful with how they word things. To most people is probably sounds like an admission of guilt but it actually isn't.</p><p></p><p>More than once he has definitely stood up in Parliament and told outright lies. Who would have thought that a man known all his life as a serial liar, who got fired from a newspaper for lying, who lost a position in government for lying, who cheated on his wife, who couldn't even own up to how many children he has and who lied all through the Brexit process would turn out to be a liar!?</p><p></p><p>What I find most staggering is not that he lied and held everyone in contempt, it's that anyone is surprised about this. Has everyone already forgotten the Bardnard Castle situation where they just made up excuses? How many times in his short tenure as PM have they apparently found themselves innocent of wrong doing?</p><p></p><p>Sue Gray, the woman now running the investigation, is notorious as well for being extremely anti freedom of information, to the extent she has actively blocked and hindered attempts to get information on the public record. There is also a suggestion she is close to the Conservative party and essentially their shield in the civil service. As usual, cannot expect any integrity from the government. It's straight out of yes minister, you don't launch an inquiry when you want to actually find anything, you launch one to say you are looking into it and to deflect, which is exactly what Johnson has done.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ragey Erasmus, post: 1069279, member: 56232"] Wording is important. He said he is sorry that "people THOUGHT the government wasn't obeying the rules" rather than sorry they didn't follow the rules. A subtle distinction but it's a way of avoiding an admission of guilty, you are claiming to be sorry for what someone else thinks, not what you have done. So in other words, he actually hasn't apologised for it at all. If you look at his apologies, nowhere does he ever actually say they did anything wrong, he just regrets how it appears. In essence, it's not an apology or admission of guilt at all. That subtle distinction in wording will not have been lost on Starmer as it is also a lawyer tactic and they are very careful with how they word things. To most people is probably sounds like an admission of guilt but it actually isn't. More than once he has definitely stood up in Parliament and told outright lies. Who would have thought that a man known all his life as a serial liar, who got fired from a newspaper for lying, who lost a position in government for lying, who cheated on his wife, who couldn't even own up to how many children he has and who lied all through the Brexit process would turn out to be a liar!? What I find most staggering is not that he lied and held everyone in contempt, it's that anyone is surprised about this. Has everyone already forgotten the Bardnard Castle situation where they just made up excuses? How many times in his short tenure as PM have they apparently found themselves innocent of wrong doing? Sue Gray, the woman now running the investigation, is notorious as well for being extremely anti freedom of information, to the extent she has actively blocked and hindered attempts to get information on the public record. There is also a suggestion she is close to the Conservative party and essentially their shield in the civil service. As usual, cannot expect any integrity from the government. It's straight out of yes minister, you don't launch an inquiry when you want to actually find anything, you launch one to say you are looking into it and to deflect, which is exactly what Johnson has done. [/QUOTE]
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