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<blockquote data-quote="die_mole" data-source="post: 1092097" data-attributes="member: 73648"><p>so traditionally there has been two schools of thought for statehood. The League of Nations proposed the recognition theory in which you are a state if other states acknowledged you are a state. This was deemed problematic so the United Nations developed the self-determination model. You need to have 1. people; 2. territory; 3. government; 4; the ability to perform diplomatic relations. In reality you need to be able fulfill both. Catalan will likely be able to fulfill the self-determination model but because countries don't want to **** off Spain they won't be recognized as a state and therefore their ability to peacefully gain statehood will be blocked by some means. </p><p></p><p>The Scottish highlands and lowlands example is implausible until they develop 3 and 4 and is it even clear what 1 and 2 are? Same for the US example. Northern Ireland however is a better question.</p><p></p><p>I do think that your last sentence is a good one Ragey, and it really raises a philosophical question about where we are going in the future. It seems to be that we are getting more and more sovereign states that form extremely weak confederations.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="die_mole, post: 1092097, member: 73648"] so traditionally there has been two schools of thought for statehood. The League of Nations proposed the recognition theory in which you are a state if other states acknowledged you are a state. This was deemed problematic so the United Nations developed the self-determination model. You need to have 1. people; 2. territory; 3. government; 4; the ability to perform diplomatic relations. In reality you need to be able fulfill both. Catalan will likely be able to fulfill the self-determination model but because countries don't want to **** off Spain they won't be recognized as a state and therefore their ability to peacefully gain statehood will be blocked by some means. The Scottish highlands and lowlands example is implausible until they develop 3 and 4 and is it even clear what 1 and 2 are? Same for the US example. Northern Ireland however is a better question. I do think that your last sentence is a good one Ragey, and it really raises a philosophical question about where we are going in the future. It seems to be that we are getting more and more sovereign states that form extremely weak confederations. [/QUOTE]
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