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<blockquote data-quote="Welsh Exile" data-source="post: 1102032" data-attributes="member: 82670"><p>I'm inclined to side with ncurd on this. There was definite sophistry going on with the right wing press and Tories as the right has just as much as a problem with anti semitism (as well as islamaphobia , homophobi/ and racism in general) as the left does but it wasn't fabricated in my view I think a lot of the left doesn't even see it as racism. They'll wrongly conflate it with anti Zionism and while this may be true in some cases a lot of the time it was just anti semitism masked as anti Zionism.</p><p></p><p>But I agree with [USER=74121]@Bruce_ma gooshvili[/USER] re the national anthem. I know it's trivial and there's lots more important things to be discussing but to your socialist Labour supporter it's **** like that that is hard to take and you feel Labour is drifting further right.</p><p></p><p>Having said that, and while I'm not a massive fan, I'm still behind Starmer mainly because he's our ( the left ) best chance of getting the Tories out even if it means Labour are nothing more than a centrist party. They're still not winning an out right majority anyway so the left are going to have to come together to beat this lot. But this is our biggest problem, I fear.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Welsh Exile, post: 1102032, member: 82670"] I’m inclined to side with ncurd on this. There was definite sophistry going on with the right wing press and Tories as the right has just as much as a problem with anti semitism (as well as islamaphobia , homophobi/ and racism in general) as the left does but it wasn’t fabricated in my view I think a lot of the left doesn’t even see it as racism. They’ll wrongly conflate it with anti Zionism and while this may be true in some cases a lot of the time it was just anti semitism masked as anti Zionism. But I agree with [USER=74121]@Bruce_ma gooshvili[/USER] re the national anthem. I know it’s trivial and there’s lots more important things to be discussing but to your socialist Labour supporter it’s **** like that that is hard to take and you feel Labour is drifting further right. Having said that, and while I’m not a massive fan, I’m still behind Starmer mainly because he’s our ( the left ) best chance of getting the Tories out even if it means Labour are nothing more than a centrist party. They’re still not winning an out right majority anyway so the left are going to have to come together to beat this lot. But this is our biggest problem, I fear. [/QUOTE]
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