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<blockquote data-quote="Ragey Erasmus" data-source="post: 1102840" data-attributes="member: 56232"><p>Me with my non-existent military expertise would think that Ukraine will be targeting supplies still and looking at forcing retreats / surrenders rather than pitched battles. I doubt Russians care all that much about whether they do or don't control territory in a foreign country. They almost certainly do care about losing equipment and a kill count that keeps rising. Also anything that appears as an "embarrassment" to them. Russians being overwhelmed in a direct assault can be portrayed as a great last stand. Russians being surrounded and then fleeing / surrendering is more of a hit to national pride when they love to portray themselves as the hard men of Europe.</p><p></p><p>I think Russia rushing conscripts into battle could actually play out worse for them than doing nothing at all. The conscripts will put more stress on the supply lines and any area with a heavy conscript presence will only give a false sense of security, chances are they will crumble. Even the most deluded Russians will see their own being sent in droves to just die or be captured. It could be a massive propaganda victory for Ukraine, especially if they treat the prisoners well. Winning the war of words with Russia and embarrassing the regime in Russia is almost as important as winning militarily. This realistically needs to end not just with the liberation of Ukraine but the downfall of Putin.</p><p></p><p>If Ukraine can foster a sense of "gratitude", for want of a better word, among the PoWs they capture, they will spread that when they return to Russia, despite what their propaganda campaign may say. You can't get thousands to all tell the same very easily demonstrably false lie.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ragey Erasmus, post: 1102840, member: 56232"] Me with my non-existent military expertise would think that Ukraine will be targeting supplies still and looking at forcing retreats / surrenders rather than pitched battles. I doubt Russians care all that much about whether they do or don't control territory in a foreign country. They almost certainly do care about losing equipment and a kill count that keeps rising. Also anything that appears as an "embarrassment" to them. Russians being overwhelmed in a direct assault can be portrayed as a great last stand. Russians being surrounded and then fleeing / surrendering is more of a hit to national pride when they love to portray themselves as the hard men of Europe. I think Russia rushing conscripts into battle could actually play out worse for them than doing nothing at all. The conscripts will put more stress on the supply lines and any area with a heavy conscript presence will only give a false sense of security, chances are they will crumble. Even the most deluded Russians will see their own being sent in droves to just die or be captured. It could be a massive propaganda victory for Ukraine, especially if they treat the prisoners well. Winning the war of words with Russia and embarrassing the regime in Russia is almost as important as winning militarily. This realistically needs to end not just with the liberation of Ukraine but the downfall of Putin. If Ukraine can foster a sense of "gratitude", for want of a better word, among the PoWs they capture, they will spread that when they return to Russia, despite what their propaganda campaign may say. You can't get thousands to all tell the same very easily demonstrably false lie. [/QUOTE]
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