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<blockquote data-quote="Ragey Erasmus" data-source="post: 1109695" data-attributes="member: 56232"><p>The thing is, neither side is wrong or right depending on how you look at it.</p><p></p><p>On the one hand, the Scots did have an opportunity to vote and voted now. Circumstances have changed but to claim their democratic right has been denied is nonsense, they DID get a vote, they simply don't like the result. This then begs the question, can we just go on with neverendums? If the no vote is only temporary until yes get their chance to vote again, surely the reverse would also be true and that a yes vote is temporary until no can call for another referendum? You only have to look at Brexit where the opposite result has happened and some are calling for a reversal after seeing what a fuckup it was. Where is the line drawn on which results are accepted and when another referendum can be held on the same issue? Also there is the issue of what exactly counts as a suitable body to demand a referendum? If the Cornish demanded a referendum, would their rights have been denied by saying no? How about the north of England? The highlands within Scotland? Where is the line drawn?</p><p></p><p>On the flip side, the same question; once a referendum result has happened is that it and nothing can change? We had a referendum on joining the predecessor to the EU and one of the arguments made by leave was that the body we had voted to join had changed so much it was no longer the same entity we had originally voted to join. Whilst less time has passed, the Scots could argue that the claim they would be able to stay in the EU as part of the UK but not as an independent nation definitely played a role in the vote. This has now turned out to not be valid and thus the conditions have drastically changed, just the same as Brexiters argued. </p><p></p><p>Whatever happens though, the Cameron - Sunak Tory regime will likely go down in history as one of the most destructive to this country in a long long time. The video above highlights just how much damage they have done and they could be the ones that oversaw the final destruction of the UK.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ragey Erasmus, post: 1109695, member: 56232"] The thing is, neither side is wrong or right depending on how you look at it. On the one hand, the Scots did have an opportunity to vote and voted now. Circumstances have changed but to claim their democratic right has been denied is nonsense, they DID get a vote, they simply don't like the result. This then begs the question, can we just go on with neverendums? If the no vote is only temporary until yes get their chance to vote again, surely the reverse would also be true and that a yes vote is temporary until no can call for another referendum? You only have to look at Brexit where the opposite result has happened and some are calling for a reversal after seeing what a fuckup it was. Where is the line drawn on which results are accepted and when another referendum can be held on the same issue? Also there is the issue of what exactly counts as a suitable body to demand a referendum? If the Cornish demanded a referendum, would their rights have been denied by saying no? How about the north of England? The highlands within Scotland? Where is the line drawn? On the flip side, the same question; once a referendum result has happened is that it and nothing can change? We had a referendum on joining the predecessor to the EU and one of the arguments made by leave was that the body we had voted to join had changed so much it was no longer the same entity we had originally voted to join. Whilst less time has passed, the Scots could argue that the claim they would be able to stay in the EU as part of the UK but not as an independent nation definitely played a role in the vote. This has now turned out to not be valid and thus the conditions have drastically changed, just the same as Brexiters argued. Whatever happens though, the Cameron - Sunak Tory regime will likely go down in history as one of the most destructive to this country in a long long time. The video above highlights just how much damage they have done and they could be the ones that oversaw the final destruction of the UK. [/QUOTE]
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