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<blockquote data-quote="Booboobang" data-source="post: 1111289" data-attributes="member: 86230"><p>No, so my point isn't that there isn't an immigrant who isn't a bad immigrant, my point is the percentage of those immigrants and the capital and influence they have is so small that they have basically no effect on those things at all. These are generally very few people, or very poor people, which means that the dilution effect or the infleucne they can have on a greater society is very small and cancels it out from being a real worry with any foundation. </p><p></p><p>Most crime and such in this country is committed by natives, yet we dont have the same worries. Giving legitimacy to an argument that has no strong foundation in reality is how you lead to situations where either or both generational oppresion happens and otherising/boogeymanning immigrants occurs. Enclaving is human nature, but it is CERTAINLY enhanced by bigotry faced by the immigrant. If very few english people want to be your friend, you are far more likely to turn to what you know. </p><p></p><p>Centrist thought of giving time to alll arguments regardless of their factual basis is a very western idealogy, but its dangerous, do you truly believe brexit happens if nigel farage or his ilk arent boyed up by both the press blaming all britian ills on immigrants and the humaninsing of the person making the argument by having them on have I got news for you? Or we would of had a mass anti vaxx movement if the press didnt both sides wakefield even after multiple papaers came out discrediting him? </p><p></p><p>Both sidesing is certainly a fine practice when making up your own personal mind if you do the research, but in terms of the masses giving legitimacy to fringe theories where the real world likelhood of it happening is minescule? Personaly I think it just leads to more harm than good, because often the people you are giving publicity to make the batshit arguments are extremely charasmatic and use populist rhetoric to great effect. For example, if we all started saying ahh yes, there is a chance immigrants could fundamentally change british culture, do you not think Farage or his ilk would absaloutley JUMP on that and say SEE WE WERE RIGHT.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Booboobang, post: 1111289, member: 86230"] No, so my point isn't that there isn't an immigrant who isn't a bad immigrant, my point is the percentage of those immigrants and the capital and influence they have is so small that they have basically no effect on those things at all. These are generally very few people, or very poor people, which means that the dilution effect or the infleucne they can have on a greater society is very small and cancels it out from being a real worry with any foundation. Most crime and such in this country is committed by natives, yet we dont have the same worries. Giving legitimacy to an argument that has no strong foundation in reality is how you lead to situations where either or both generational oppresion happens and otherising/boogeymanning immigrants occurs. Enclaving is human nature, but it is CERTAINLY enhanced by bigotry faced by the immigrant. If very few english people want to be your friend, you are far more likely to turn to what you know. Centrist thought of giving time to alll arguments regardless of their factual basis is a very western idealogy, but its dangerous, do you truly believe brexit happens if nigel farage or his ilk arent boyed up by both the press blaming all britian ills on immigrants and the humaninsing of the person making the argument by having them on have I got news for you? Or we would of had a mass anti vaxx movement if the press didnt both sides wakefield even after multiple papaers came out discrediting him? Both sidesing is certainly a fine practice when making up your own personal mind if you do the research, but in terms of the masses giving legitimacy to fringe theories where the real world likelhood of it happening is minescule? Personaly I think it just leads to more harm than good, because often the people you are giving publicity to make the batshit arguments are extremely charasmatic and use populist rhetoric to great effect. For example, if we all started saying ahh yes, there is a chance immigrants could fundamentally change british culture, do you not think Farage or his ilk would absaloutley JUMP on that and say SEE WE WERE RIGHT. [/QUOTE]
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