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<blockquote data-quote="Ragey Erasmus" data-source="post: 1111292" data-attributes="member: 56232"><p>The issue is less whether someone is an immigrant or not and more of segments of society isolating themselves away. The vision of diversity is that you have a fully intermixed society that draws on the cultures from all round the world to enrich the lives of all. Food is a perfect example of where this works as people have next to no prejudice about which culture the food they eat comes from. This doesn't always work so well with other aspects. You can look at the USA as a non-immigrant example of this with areas that are heavily isolated from the general culture of the country, all the way from the deprived ghettos to the exclusive gated communities. It's the difference between being multi-cultural within a larger, single culture and multi-cultural where there are also very distinct lines between the various cultures that are constantly reinforced. I fail to see how a society in which different groups feel isolated from each other and have directly opposing and destructive views of each other is at all healthy for society. Immigration is where these very distinct cultures come in for us because it's a more recent phenomenon in western Europe but the USA is an example of the best and worst sides of it.</p><p></p><p>In that case there has been a very clear and systematic prejudice that created and reinforces that system, however if highlights that multi-cultural societies can also have these closed off cultures that are either doing so themselves or as a result of pressure from the dominant culture. I cannot think of a single society in which people have identified as fundamentally different culturally with no shared central culture that has really stood the test of time, they all tear themselves apart eventually. Hell the UK is already in the process of potentially tearing itself apart off the back of differing culture and personal identity and could cease to exist as a nation in my lifetime.</p><p></p><p>I'm just saying that any move for multi-culturalism that does not also have a common culture between all groups to more likely on the pass to confrontation and isolation than prosperity.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ragey Erasmus, post: 1111292, member: 56232"] The issue is less whether someone is an immigrant or not and more of segments of society isolating themselves away. The vision of diversity is that you have a fully intermixed society that draws on the cultures from all round the world to enrich the lives of all. Food is a perfect example of where this works as people have next to no prejudice about which culture the food they eat comes from. This doesn't always work so well with other aspects. You can look at the USA as a non-immigrant example of this with areas that are heavily isolated from the general culture of the country, all the way from the deprived ghettos to the exclusive gated communities. It's the difference between being multi-cultural within a larger, single culture and multi-cultural where there are also very distinct lines between the various cultures that are constantly reinforced. I fail to see how a society in which different groups feel isolated from each other and have directly opposing and destructive views of each other is at all healthy for society. Immigration is where these very distinct cultures come in for us because it's a more recent phenomenon in western Europe but the USA is an example of the best and worst sides of it. In that case there has been a very clear and systematic prejudice that created and reinforces that system, however if highlights that multi-cultural societies can also have these closed off cultures that are either doing so themselves or as a result of pressure from the dominant culture. I cannot think of a single society in which people have identified as fundamentally different culturally with no shared central culture that has really stood the test of time, they all tear themselves apart eventually. Hell the UK is already in the process of potentially tearing itself apart off the back of differing culture and personal identity and could cease to exist as a nation in my lifetime. I'm just saying that any move for multi-culturalism that does not also have a common culture between all groups to more likely on the pass to confrontation and isolation than prosperity. [/QUOTE]
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