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<blockquote data-quote="Ragey Erasmus" data-source="post: 1183903" data-attributes="member: 56232"><p>He was originally charged for defamation if you recall. Even though the statute of limitation had passed, him calling her a liar was recent. The crime he is accused of is not misuse of campaign funds, it's misuse of company funds. He essentially used his company to give a gift in kind to himself, with the intention of influencing the outcome of the election, therefore breaking campaign finance laws AND not properly logging what the expense was for in the company and so falsifying company financial records. These are both crimes.</p><p></p><p>The victim was the government, who lost out on tax revenues as a result of fraud. Trump was claiming one value to banks and another to the government to reduce his tax burden. You don't need a qualified person to see if Trump tells 1 party a building is worth X and tells another party it is worth Y with a significant difference between the 2, that one of those figures is false. You also think they had no expert testimony as to the value of the properties or asked those who did the valuations to justify them? Ok... Hell in one of the properties he quoted the floor space as being 3x what it was. If the banks were satisfied with the valuation Trump gave to them, that would make his valuation to the government false, reducing his tax burden substantially and thus fraud. Funny how you question the credentials of those bringing the prosecution. You know, if they were biased, that doesn't affect their ability to bring a prosecution forwards right? Look at all the failed cases Trump has tried to bring forwards or again the whole Hunter Biden saga. As it is, there is no evidence her personal views have had any impact on the trial. She can't bias the evidence or the records.</p><p></p><p>False, Congress CAN enforce subpoenas. There are Congressional police who can serve exactly that function if required. In addition, Congress can go to courts or charge someone with contempt to enforce the subpoena, neither require the executive. Hunter did turn up to his subpoena, has your head been stuck in the sand, or were you not aware because Republicans shut up the second he did because they couldn't get any dirt on him? Also, it's extremely rich for Jim Jordan to ever talk about the importance of subpoenas when he ignored his own. Now why don't you explain why the Republicans said they were going to subpoena Hunter Biden and it could be a public hearing, Hunter agrees for a public hearing and suddenly Republicans turn around and demand it actually be private? He called their bluff. You know why he wanted it public? Because in previous private hearings, the Republicans came out and outright lied about what was said, which was later shown when transcripts were released. Hunter Biden didn't want that happening. Fortunately transcripts were released quickly for the Biden case to prevent Republicans getting out early and lying about what was said. they also got caught when their special prosecutor looking at Joe Biden wrote one thing in his report that turned out to be false as the transcripts of his interviews showed (such as lying that Joe couldn't remember when his son died when the transcript showed he did.) There is a reason that guy resigned his seat the day before his hearing, it's because he lied repeatedly but wanted to be able to testify as a private individual, not a member of the DoJ and so could not be held accountable for lying. All this escapted your notice? Clearly the fact this private hearing DID go ahead escaped your notice because, as with every failure from the impeachment, the far right propaganda system goes very quiet about it when it fails. When was the last you heard of Hunter Biden? It was shortly after the hearing. Funny because didn't Republicans repeatedly say they had a smoking gun witness? More than one has testified that Joe Biden did nothing wrong and had no links to any of these schemes Republicans are trying to fabricate. It then turns out the great FBI whistleblower was actually a Russian asset, that the Republicans were warned he was not credible beforehand, but still put him up on a pedestal and claimed he was yet another star witness.</p><p></p><p>Oh and what are these Biden disasters? Record levels of employment, one of the longest periods of protracted growth, beating growth forecasts nearly every quarter, lowest levels of inflation in the developed world after the invasion of Ukraine, highest increase in infrastructure spending ever, reduction in the deficit, record stock market levels, record increase in manufacturing and lowering of drug costs to name a few. Why don't you actually list the terrible things that are happening in Biden's USA? Go on. I'm sure it's so much worse than hundreds of thousands dying due to woeful Covid response or an attempted insurrection...</p><p></p><p>As a last point, a few months ago a Democrat asked the question during the Biden impeachment inquiry. He said everyone raise their hands who would accept seeing both Hunter Biden and Trump punished if it was shown they had committed crimes. All the Democrats raised their hands, not a single Republican did. What does that tell you?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ragey Erasmus, post: 1183903, member: 56232"] He was originally charged for defamation if you recall. Even though the statute of limitation had passed, him calling her a liar was recent. The crime he is accused of is not misuse of campaign funds, it's misuse of company funds. He essentially used his company to give a gift in kind to himself, with the intention of influencing the outcome of the election, therefore breaking campaign finance laws AND not properly logging what the expense was for in the company and so falsifying company financial records. These are both crimes. The victim was the government, who lost out on tax revenues as a result of fraud. Trump was claiming one value to banks and another to the government to reduce his tax burden. You don't need a qualified person to see if Trump tells 1 party a building is worth X and tells another party it is worth Y with a significant difference between the 2, that one of those figures is false. You also think they had no expert testimony as to the value of the properties or asked those who did the valuations to justify them? Ok... Hell in one of the properties he quoted the floor space as being 3x what it was. If the banks were satisfied with the valuation Trump gave to them, that would make his valuation to the government false, reducing his tax burden substantially and thus fraud. Funny how you question the credentials of those bringing the prosecution. You know, if they were biased, that doesn't affect their ability to bring a prosecution forwards right? Look at all the failed cases Trump has tried to bring forwards or again the whole Hunter Biden saga. As it is, there is no evidence her personal views have had any impact on the trial. She can't bias the evidence or the records. False, Congress CAN enforce subpoenas. There are Congressional police who can serve exactly that function if required. In addition, Congress can go to courts or charge someone with contempt to enforce the subpoena, neither require the executive. Hunter did turn up to his subpoena, has your head been stuck in the sand, or were you not aware because Republicans shut up the second he did because they couldn't get any dirt on him? Also, it's extremely rich for Jim Jordan to ever talk about the importance of subpoenas when he ignored his own. Now why don't you explain why the Republicans said they were going to subpoena Hunter Biden and it could be a public hearing, Hunter agrees for a public hearing and suddenly Republicans turn around and demand it actually be private? He called their bluff. You know why he wanted it public? Because in previous private hearings, the Republicans came out and outright lied about what was said, which was later shown when transcripts were released. Hunter Biden didn't want that happening. Fortunately transcripts were released quickly for the Biden case to prevent Republicans getting out early and lying about what was said. they also got caught when their special prosecutor looking at Joe Biden wrote one thing in his report that turned out to be false as the transcripts of his interviews showed (such as lying that Joe couldn't remember when his son died when the transcript showed he did.) There is a reason that guy resigned his seat the day before his hearing, it's because he lied repeatedly but wanted to be able to testify as a private individual, not a member of the DoJ and so could not be held accountable for lying. All this escapted your notice? Clearly the fact this private hearing DID go ahead escaped your notice because, as with every failure from the impeachment, the far right propaganda system goes very quiet about it when it fails. When was the last you heard of Hunter Biden? It was shortly after the hearing. Funny because didn't Republicans repeatedly say they had a smoking gun witness? More than one has testified that Joe Biden did nothing wrong and had no links to any of these schemes Republicans are trying to fabricate. It then turns out the great FBI whistleblower was actually a Russian asset, that the Republicans were warned he was not credible beforehand, but still put him up on a pedestal and claimed he was yet another star witness. Oh and what are these Biden disasters? Record levels of employment, one of the longest periods of protracted growth, beating growth forecasts nearly every quarter, lowest levels of inflation in the developed world after the invasion of Ukraine, highest increase in infrastructure spending ever, reduction in the deficit, record stock market levels, record increase in manufacturing and lowering of drug costs to name a few. Why don't you actually list the terrible things that are happening in Biden's USA? Go on. I'm sure it's so much worse than hundreds of thousands dying due to woeful Covid response or an attempted insurrection... As a last point, a few months ago a Democrat asked the question during the Biden impeachment inquiry. He said everyone raise their hands who would accept seeing both Hunter Biden and Trump punished if it was shown they had committed crimes. All the Democrats raised their hands, not a single Republican did. What does that tell you? [/QUOTE]
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