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<blockquote data-quote="nickdnz" data-source="post: 743115" data-attributes="member: 38640"><p>But I can use tackle stats to argue Sonny Bill Williams is a more accurate tackler than another player, over the period of a series.</p><p></p><p>"Best" is of course a relative term. Because statistics compiled in rugby tend to be pretty limited, you can only try and use the limited picture they provide to demonstrate an aspect of one players game.</p><p></p><p>In regards to Conrad Smith vs Tevita Kurindrani - I think you would be surprised. Again taking the stats of those two players (based on Super Rugby):</p><p></p><p>Conrad - Kurindrani</p><p>Minutes played: 1,240 - 1,157</p><p>Tries: 3 - 3</p><p>Carries: 111-104</p><p>Metres: 506-400</p><p>Clean Breaks: 10-12</p><p>Defenders Beaten: 21-29</p><p>Offloads: 12-9</p><p>Assists: 1-1</p><p>Passes: 118-27</p><p>Openplay kicks: 8-1</p><p></p><p>Tackles: 117-104</p><p>Tackle Percentage: 88.6 - 79.4</p><p>Turnovers Conceded: 8-9</p><p></p><p>So as you can tell looking at these stats over the space of a season - what would appear instinctive (Kurindrani would dominate in aspects such as ball carrying / metres) is not necessary the case. If I was to dissect these statistics I would argue based on these Conrad Smith is the more accurate defender, and has a better passing game. Based on your perception I would argue he has a very underrated running game.</p><p></p><p>Of course it doesn't tell you who is the better decision maker, who provides better on-field leadership - and you have to take into account performances are often relative to the makeup and structures of the team. Unfortunately for these things you either have to go with anecdotal evidence or better yet - match footage to demonstrate a point. What I hope this has demonstrated however - is that what appears intuitive isn't necessary fact. Yes, I agree once again that they are a crude measure of a players attribute: but it is better than nothing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="nickdnz, post: 743115, member: 38640"] But I can use tackle stats to argue Sonny Bill Williams is a more accurate tackler than another player, over the period of a series. "Best" is of course a relative term. Because statistics compiled in rugby tend to be pretty limited, you can only try and use the limited picture they provide to demonstrate an aspect of one players game. In regards to Conrad Smith vs Tevita Kurindrani - I think you would be surprised. Again taking the stats of those two players (based on Super Rugby): Conrad - Kurindrani Minutes played: 1,240 - 1,157 Tries: 3 - 3 Carries: 111-104 Metres: 506-400 Clean Breaks: 10-12 Defenders Beaten: 21-29 Offloads: 12-9 Assists: 1-1 Passes: 118-27 Openplay kicks: 8-1 Tackles: 117-104 Tackle Percentage: 88.6 - 79.4 Turnovers Conceded: 8-9 So as you can tell looking at these stats over the space of a season - what would appear instinctive (Kurindrani would dominate in aspects such as ball carrying / metres) is not necessary the case. If I was to dissect these statistics I would argue based on these Conrad Smith is the more accurate defender, and has a better passing game. Based on your perception I would argue he has a very underrated running game. Of course it doesn't tell you who is the better decision maker, who provides better on-field leadership - and you have to take into account performances are often relative to the makeup and structures of the team. Unfortunately for these things you either have to go with anecdotal evidence or better yet - match footage to demonstrate a point. What I hope this has demonstrated however - is that what appears intuitive isn't necessary fact. Yes, I agree once again that they are a crude measure of a players attribute: but it is better than nothing. [/QUOTE]
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