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Tri Nations 2009-2011
All Blacks vs Springboks, July 10th 2010
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<blockquote data-quote="nickdnz" data-source="post: 327713" data-attributes="member: 38640"><p>I've never hated Brad Thorn, I said I didn't like Kieren Ried, I think Thorn has been the best international lock besides Matfield (and for a small part Paul O'Connel) for the last two seasons. He has a great work rate and is a fierce tackler, his only slight fault is that he is not really tall enough to be a great line out jumper. He is the strongest All Black in terms of upper body weight and is also the fittest forward. So yes, I think he's better than Bukkies, who in my opinion has lived of Matfield's success for the last 3-4 years, and offers physicality in the ruck as his only real attribute, something which Thorn does best anyway. They are too similar players, the main thing that seperates them is how high South Africa rates Bukkies over Thorn.</p><p> </p><p>Daniel Carter had a bad S14. No one is denying that. But now he's back to best, so I would not expect him to miss. Joe Rokocoko seems to be great off the pitch, but on it he seems a little hesitant. He's still the fastest All Black according to speed trials, but he just seems to pause a little bit during the game. Hosea Gear would be very good against any international team, but Henry doesn't seem to care too much about that.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>Haha, well I would be lying if I said South Africa coming last in the Tri Nations wouldn't make me very happy, but in fairness South Africa have a bunch of very good players and are peaking. Like you, I tend to feel that even if you are confident of a win, it is better to say you back the team you support, but leave it there, rather than talk ones team up. The higher they are talked up, often the bigger the fall.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="nickdnz, post: 327713, member: 38640"] I've never hated Brad Thorn, I said I didn't like Kieren Ried, I think Thorn has been the best international lock besides Matfield (and for a small part Paul O'Connel) for the last two seasons. He has a great work rate and is a fierce tackler, his only slight fault is that he is not really tall enough to be a great line out jumper. He is the strongest All Black in terms of upper body weight and is also the fittest forward. So yes, I think he's better than Bukkies, who in my opinion has lived of Matfield's success for the last 3-4 years, and offers physicality in the ruck as his only real attribute, something which Thorn does best anyway. They are too similar players, the main thing that seperates them is how high South Africa rates Bukkies over Thorn. Daniel Carter had a bad S14. No one is denying that. But now he's back to best, so I would not expect him to miss. Joe Rokocoko seems to be great off the pitch, but on it he seems a little hesitant. He's still the fastest All Black according to speed trials, but he just seems to pause a little bit during the game. Hosea Gear would be very good against any international team, but Henry doesn't seem to care too much about that. Haha, well I would be lying if I said South Africa coming last in the Tri Nations wouldn't make me very happy, but in fairness South Africa have a bunch of very good players and are peaking. Like you, I tend to feel that even if you are confident of a win, it is better to say you back the team you support, but leave it there, rather than talk ones team up. The higher they are talked up, often the bigger the fall. [/QUOTE]
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