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<blockquote data-quote="dullonien" data-source="post: 551993" data-attributes="member: 13739"><p>Yeh, I know what you mean. Just for clarification, I'm not suggesting the ref goes around looking at all four binds in detail, but instead he takes care of the open side, while the blindside assistant ref checks the other. Doesn't need to be a long look, just a split second, which is still more than the ref currently has. Of course this still doesn't stop the weaker scrummaging prop from slipping his binding, but at least then it should be more obvious who's purposefully lost their bind, well in theory....</p><p></p><p>One thing this does not solve is teams going early, and this is where I think having both teams simply engage gently before pushing is allowed, like it used to be, would be of benefit. Still this is a step in that direction, which can only be a good thing imo.</p><p></p><p>I also agree with you regarding referee's lack of knowledge. One aspect I current;y find really annoying, is referee's not penalising sides for standing up under pressure. I know some prefer that in these circumstances the scrum is just allowed to continue, but this takes away from the stronger scrum. Ultimately, standing up is the same thing as collapsing in terms of relieving the pressure, so it should be penalised in the same way. Some ref's do this, others ignore it completely.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think this is too simplistic a view of the scrum. It's easy to automatically criticise rule changes for the problems at scrum time, but imo it has occurred because there is more 'streetwise' play going on nowadays. If a prop loses the hit, they are prepared to take it down in order to get a re-set and hopefully get more parity the second time around. I'm sure Adam Jones has hinted to this in the past (not totally sure though), and he's not a weak scrummager. The law changes haven't helped to aleviate these issues, but they haven't contributed imo.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dullonien, post: 551993, member: 13739"] Yeh, I know what you mean. Just for clarification, I'm not suggesting the ref goes around looking at all four binds in detail, but instead he takes care of the open side, while the blindside assistant ref checks the other. Doesn't need to be a long look, just a split second, which is still more than the ref currently has. Of course this still doesn't stop the weaker scrummaging prop from slipping his binding, but at least then it should be more obvious who's purposefully lost their bind, well in theory.... One thing this does not solve is teams going early, and this is where I think having both teams simply engage gently before pushing is allowed, like it used to be, would be of benefit. Still this is a step in that direction, which can only be a good thing imo. I also agree with you regarding referee's lack of knowledge. One aspect I current;y find really annoying, is referee's not penalising sides for standing up under pressure. I know some prefer that in these circumstances the scrum is just allowed to continue, but this takes away from the stronger scrum. Ultimately, standing up is the same thing as collapsing in terms of relieving the pressure, so it should be penalised in the same way. Some ref's do this, others ignore it completely. I think this is too simplistic a view of the scrum. It's easy to automatically criticise rule changes for the problems at scrum time, but imo it has occurred because there is more 'streetwise' play going on nowadays. If a prop loses the hit, they are prepared to take it down in order to get a re-set and hopefully get more parity the second time around. I'm sure Adam Jones has hinted to this in the past (not totally sure though), and he's not a weak scrummager. The law changes haven't helped to aleviate these issues, but they haven't contributed imo. [/QUOTE]
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