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<blockquote data-quote="BPM" data-source="post: 1049135" data-attributes="member: 59968"><p>Well they do usually turn up to the 6N and World Cup with their full side available.</p><p></p><p>When it comes to being 'absolutely gutted', some of it is money, but there are lots of factors that play in to it and it entirely depends on the individual players. Some want to make as much money as possible and others are more circumstantial. Take Liam Gill for example. IIRC, he left because he pretty much knew Pocock and Hooper would keeep him out of the test side which meant there was little for him to stay for.</p><p></p><p>English players know full well that they could make a lot more money in France or Japan but they also know that it would end their test career. The rules are different with central contacts etc. but in practice it's the same for the Irish and Welsh. IMO, Giteau's Law has screwed you over way more than the lure of a French money. It might have been OK when you had a pool of very experienced players, but now you're in a rebuild it creates a situation where there's a stark choice between playing for the Wallabies and staying at second rate sides that can't compete with anyone other than themselves or have a better playing career and more money overseas.</p><p></p><p>When it comes to 'poaching', I'm really not sure why Japan escape criticism. France very rarely import players with the intention of naturalising them, but Japan are pretty much doing that wherever they can. They've actively made themselves the destination for Tongans in particular and then will happily hoover up any uncapped Aussies, Kiwis or South Africans and pick them when they can. It seems that their status as a growing power is allowing them to behave in ways that other more established nations would (rightly) be pilloried for.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BPM, post: 1049135, member: 59968"] Well they do usually turn up to the 6N and World Cup with their full side available. When it comes to being ‘absolutely gutted’, some of it is money, but there are lots of factors that play in to it and it entirely depends on the individual players. Some want to make as much money as possible and others are more circumstantial. Take Liam Gill for example. IIRC, he left because he pretty much knew Pocock and Hooper would keeep him out of the test side which meant there was little for him to stay for. English players know full well that they could make a lot more money in France or Japan but they also know that it would end their test career. The rules are different with central contacts etc. but in practice it’s the same for the Irish and Welsh. IMO, Giteau’s Law has screwed you over way more than the lure of a French money. It might have been OK when you had a pool of very experienced players, but now you’re in a rebuild it creates a situation where there’s a stark choice between playing for the Wallabies and staying at second rate sides that can’t compete with anyone other than themselves or have a better playing career and more money overseas. When it comes to ‘poaching’, I’m really not sure why Japan escape criticism. France very rarely import players with the intention of naturalising them, but Japan are pretty much doing that wherever they can. They’ve actively made themselves the destination for Tongans in particular and then will happily hoover up any uncapped Aussies, Kiwis or South Africans and pick them when they can. It seems that their status as a growing power is allowing them to behave in ways that other more established nations would (rightly) be pilloried for. [/QUOTE]
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