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<blockquote data-quote="Half Pint" data-source="post: 1164717" data-attributes="member: 87305">(We&#039;ve gone waaay off-topic, but I&#039;m just following the thread of the conversation)In cricket, it used to be that the batsman walked if he knew he was out. The batter is in the best place to know if he&#039;s nicked an edge etc. It made it easy for the umpire to make the right call. But now the stakes are too high, and (international) batsmen will wait for the umpire&#039;s finger. And then quite likely use a review if they&#039;re given out to get a 2nd opinion, just in case it&#039;s a no-ball etc.The same is true in any (top-level) sport. I&#039;ve completely given up watching football, because the aim of the game is no longer to score goals. The ultimate aim is now to fall over in the penalty box and appeal to the ref for a penalty. People used to boo Jurgen Klinsmann 20 years ago for doing this, but now it&#039;s universal. The players &quot;cheating&quot; has ruined the game.In a game of rugby, it&#039;s the players themselves that are in the best position to know where they have touched the ball down, where they&#039;ve deliberately knocked on, passed forwards or whatever. If we want all decisions to be accurate, then we&#039;d need to have the players on board in the decision process. But in a tight game with so much at stake, who&#039;s going to be honest that they dropped the ball over the line? And if players try to cheat the ref, then video replays is a reasonable fallback. I don&#039;t think that players have any right to complain about bad decisions - if they wanted all decisions to be correct, then we&#039;d need to wind the clock back to the amateur game and agree to play with some honesty.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Half Pint, post: 1164717, member: 87305"] (We've gone waaay off-topic, but I'm just following the thread of the conversation) In cricket, it used to be that the batsman walked if he knew he was out. The batter is in the best place to know if he's nicked an edge etc. It made it easy for the umpire to make the right call. But now the stakes are too high, and (international) batsmen will wait for the umpire's finger. And then quite likely use a review if they're given out to get a 2nd opinion, just in case it's a no-ball etc. The same is true in any (top-level) sport. I've completely given up watching football, because the aim of the game is no longer to score goals. The ultimate aim is now to fall over in the penalty box and appeal to the ref for a penalty. People used to boo Jurgen Klinsmann 20 years ago for doing this, but now it's universal. The players "cheating" has ruined the game. In a game of rugby, it's the players themselves that are in the best position to know where they have touched the ball down, where they've deliberately knocked on, passed forwards or whatever. If we want all decisions to be accurate, then we'd need to have the players on board in the decision process. But in a tight game with so much at stake, who's going to be honest that they dropped the ball over the line? And if players try to cheat the ref, then video replays is a reasonable fallback. I don't think that players have any right to complain about bad decisions - if they wanted all decisions to be correct, then we'd need to wind the clock back to the amateur game and agree to play with some honesty. [/QUOTE]

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