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<blockquote data-quote="BigTen" data-source="post: 54886"><p>I too have read the new proposals and to be honest think that most of them are garbage. The one that stinks the most is the proposal about 12 replacements - I mean why not just go for special teams and have about fifty players!?</p><p></p><p>Some of Gay-Guy's suggestions are interesting...</p><p></p><p>But I think that all of this comes down to the rule change that happened ages ago allowing players to play the ball when they have been tackled and gone to ground. You know those pop-up passes and stuff.</p><p></p><p>This I believe has lead to players holding onto the ball for longer on the ground and getting away with it. What should happen is that as soon as a player goes to ground he can place the ball but has to do so immediately. He is not allowed to shuffle his body around or hold the ball until his support arrives. If he is in the middle of placing the ball and a defender, on his feet, tries to grab the ball then the ball-holder has to release immediately or be penalised.</p><p></p><p>"All infringement are penalties and all infringees are sinbinned (no warnings) for 5 mins."</p><p></p><p>But Gay-Guy wouldn't this just mean that the defending side wouldn't risk contesting the ball when they are inside their 22? A lot of rucks come down to timing - one second you can contest the ball and the next second you can't - and sometimes only the ref can tell when that changes.</p><p></p><p>Surely the rules should be changed in favour of making the ball more contestable rather than punishing teams for trying to contest possession.</p><p></p><p></p><p>"...Defending players can come through the gate...step over players on the ground....stand on the other side of the ruck and pick up the opposition ball. If they fall over in any direction then they must retire back to their onside. If they are pushed away (yet still maintain their feet) from the ball arrival area of the attacking team then they must start again and retire to their onside..."</p><p></p><p>Gay-Guy - does this mean that I could come running up to the gate, take a flying leap over the pile of bodies, go past the ball and then come back to try and grab the ball? If this is so then watch for Phil Waugh to launch himself up and over like a scud missile at every ruck.</p><p></p><p>You raise some good ideas so please don't think that I am just shooting you down. </p><p></p><p>**Incoming**</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BigTen, post: 54886"] I too have read the new proposals and to be honest think that most of them are garbage. The one that stinks the most is the proposal about 12 replacements - I mean why not just go for special teams and have about fifty players!? Some of Gay-Guy's suggestions are interesting... But I think that all of this comes down to the rule change that happened ages ago allowing players to play the ball when they have been tackled and gone to ground. You know those pop-up passes and stuff. This I believe has lead to players holding onto the ball for longer on the ground and getting away with it. What should happen is that as soon as a player goes to ground he can place the ball but has to do so immediately. He is not allowed to shuffle his body around or hold the ball until his support arrives. If he is in the middle of placing the ball and a defender, on his feet, tries to grab the ball then the ball-holder has to release immediately or be penalised. "All infringement are penalties and all infringees are sinbinned (no warnings) for 5 mins." But Gay-Guy wouldn't this just mean that the defending side wouldn't risk contesting the ball when they are inside their 22? A lot of rucks come down to timing - one second you can contest the ball and the next second you can't - and sometimes only the ref can tell when that changes. Surely the rules should be changed in favour of making the ball more contestable rather than punishing teams for trying to contest possession. "...Defending players can come through the gate...step over players on the ground....stand on the other side of the ruck and pick up the opposition ball. If they fall over in any direction then they must retire back to their onside. If they are pushed away (yet still maintain their feet) from the ball arrival area of the attacking team then they must start again and retire to their onside..." Gay-Guy - does this mean that I could come running up to the gate, take a flying leap over the pile of bodies, go past the ball and then come back to try and grab the ball? If this is so then watch for Phil Waugh to launch himself up and over like a scud missile at every ruck. You raise some good ideas so please don't think that I am just shooting you down. **Incoming** [/QUOTE]
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