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Champions Cup - Pool 3, Round 4 (Leicester, Toulon, Scarlets, Ulster)
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<blockquote data-quote="Every Time Ref" data-source="post: 698465" data-attributes="member: 71826"><p>I don't disagree at all. The people in the crowd who do this are absolutely fundamentally the ones in the wrong. 100% I agree with your assertion here. And 100% they <strong>should</strong> be punished for it. My point is, that it is not just a question of what should be done but what can be done. Probably more could be done to identify and stop these people, but short of miking up the entire stand or employer an army of lipreaders, realistically a lot of it will be outside the control and jurisdiction of even the most conscientious club. Yes it would be great if it was all reported by conscientious and principled fans who overhear it (like the homophobic abuse at Twickenham), but again almost certainly that is an unachievable aim. I'm not agreeing with you from a moral standpoint in the slightest. From a practical one, the only really effective weapon the clubs and the various national unions, tournament governing bodies etc etc have to stop matches descending into shouting matches between players and fans is the power to sanction players.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>A bit of French philosophy there ... l'enfer, c'est les autre, n'est-ce pas?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Every Time Ref, post: 698465, member: 71826"] I don't disagree at all. The people in the crowd who do this are absolutely fundamentally the ones in the wrong. 100% I agree with your assertion here. And 100% they [B]should[/B] be punished for it. My point is, that it is not just a question of what should be done but what can be done. Probably more could be done to identify and stop these people, but short of miking up the entire stand or employer an army of lipreaders, realistically a lot of it will be outside the control and jurisdiction of even the most conscientious club. Yes it would be great if it was all reported by conscientious and principled fans who overhear it (like the homophobic abuse at Twickenham), but again almost certainly that is an unachievable aim. I'm not agreeing with you from a moral standpoint in the slightest. From a practical one, the only really effective weapon the clubs and the various national unions, tournament governing bodies etc etc have to stop matches descending into shouting matches between players and fans is the power to sanction players. A bit of French philosophy there ... l'enfer, c'est les autre, n'est-ce pas? [/QUOTE]
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