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<blockquote data-quote="William18" data-source="post: 702180" data-attributes="member: 38439"><p>The different types of Islam prove my point in a way. Those people would not be killing each other to the same extent were it not for religion. It is a difficult point of discussion because it is difficult to determine which conflicts are religious in nature when many more are about the fight for resources.</p><p></p><p>I don't see the relevance of the Catcher in the Rye example. Nowhere in the Catcher in the Rye does it say you should go out and kill John Lennon. It is likely that Chapman did have some sort of mental condition which made him kill Lennon.</p><p></p><p>Islam has killed apostates since its very inception. I think the violence is higher now because we lie in a globalised world and there is better technology. </p><p></p><p>Whether or not they were indoctrinated by Al Qaeda is irrelevant. The fact is that the people who indoctrinated them already believed in suicide bombing and Islamic Fundamentalism. The point is that they could be indoctrinated by Islam. I do not believe that they could be indoctrinated in the same way by most other religions. </p><p></p><p>The scary thing is that a lot of these terrorists are not marginalised at all. Someone like Ziad Jarrah grew up in a wealthy and secular family.</p><p></p><p>I have never said that Islam is completely bad. Like all religions it has good and bat elements. My point is that in Islam it is easy to use the bad parts of that religion to commit violence. The publishing of depictions of the Prophet can be used as justification for Holy War.</p><p></p><p>Once again, I have criticised Christiainity extensively in every post I have made. The Old Testament is a horrible book I don't believe was ever intended to be taken literally because the New Testament superceeds it.</p><p></p><p>The big difference between Christianity and Islam isn't the core beliefs (although their beliefs are definitely different). The problem is that Islam is a state sponsored religion in much of the Islamic world. The only Christian nations I know of are Iceland, England, Greece and Denmark. Even in those Christian countries many laws are passed contrary to Christianity and there are many non Christians.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="William18, post: 702180, member: 38439"] The different types of Islam prove my point in a way. Those people would not be killing each other to the same extent were it not for religion. It is a difficult point of discussion because it is difficult to determine which conflicts are religious in nature when many more are about the fight for resources. I don't see the relevance of the Catcher in the Rye example. Nowhere in the Catcher in the Rye does it say you should go out and kill John Lennon. It is likely that Chapman did have some sort of mental condition which made him kill Lennon. Islam has killed apostates since its very inception. I think the violence is higher now because we lie in a globalised world and there is better technology. Whether or not they were indoctrinated by Al Qaeda is irrelevant. The fact is that the people who indoctrinated them already believed in suicide bombing and Islamic Fundamentalism. The point is that they could be indoctrinated by Islam. I do not believe that they could be indoctrinated in the same way by most other religions. The scary thing is that a lot of these terrorists are not marginalised at all. Someone like Ziad Jarrah grew up in a wealthy and secular family. I have never said that Islam is completely bad. Like all religions it has good and bat elements. My point is that in Islam it is easy to use the bad parts of that religion to commit violence. The publishing of depictions of the Prophet can be used as justification for Holy War. Once again, I have criticised Christiainity extensively in every post I have made. The Old Testament is a horrible book I don't believe was ever intended to be taken literally because the New Testament superceeds it. The big difference between Christianity and Islam isn't the core beliefs (although their beliefs are definitely different). The problem is that Islam is a state sponsored religion in much of the Islamic world. The only Christian nations I know of are Iceland, England, Greece and Denmark. Even in those Christian countries many laws are passed contrary to Christianity and there are many non Christians. [/QUOTE]
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