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<blockquote data-quote="Reiser99" data-source="post: 1053013" data-attributes="member: 72977"><p>I find this notion of freedom ridiculous. Essentially they are advocating anarchy. No rules, just do what you want. Problem is that's fine until someone else's freedom disrupts your freedom. Then they complain that government's should do something. The whole point of laws is to create a framework, by which everyone can live peacefully. Yes we don't have complete freedom, but we are safe. Problem is that America, Britain and other western democracies have associated democracy with freedom to the extent they have almost become synonymous. However, the reality is that almost every law the government makes restricts your freedoms in some way, but usually in order to preserve a peaceful society. It's the same with governments and capitalism, any state rules or interventions are almost always anti-capitalist as they restrict what people and companies can do. Yes they allow people to make money, but they don't allow a completely free capitalist system that would lead to monopolies and price inflation etc...</p><p></p><p>I've felt for a while that our idea of freedom needs to be reframed as many people, especially those anti-vaxxers in America for example, seem to think that they live in a country where they can do what they want, when the reality is, they've always had restrictions on their lives, that are part of how a society functions. It especially doesn't help with phrases like 'leader of the free world'. Essentially we need a cultural shift away from freedom of the individual to working for the benefit of society as a whole. Especially in a world that is becoming less and less sustainable, worrying about your own little personal freedoms or amassing your own wealth will not help you. Look at India where there were stories of rich people trying to buy ventilators, but couldn't. Yes some did, but others couldn't despite all their money and were no different from the poorest Indian citizen.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Reiser99, post: 1053013, member: 72977"] I find this notion of freedom ridiculous. Essentially they are advocating anarchy. No rules, just do what you want. Problem is that's fine until someone else's freedom disrupts your freedom. Then they complain that government's should do something. The whole point of laws is to create a framework, by which everyone can live peacefully. Yes we don't have complete freedom, but we are safe. Problem is that America, Britain and other western democracies have associated democracy with freedom to the extent they have almost become synonymous. However, the reality is that almost every law the government makes restricts your freedoms in some way, but usually in order to preserve a peaceful society. It's the same with governments and capitalism, any state rules or interventions are almost always anti-capitalist as they restrict what people and companies can do. Yes they allow people to make money, but they don't allow a completely free capitalist system that would lead to monopolies and price inflation etc... I've felt for a while that our idea of freedom needs to be reframed as many people, especially those anti-vaxxers in America for example, seem to think that they live in a country where they can do what they want, when the reality is, they've always had restrictions on their lives, that are part of how a society functions. It especially doesn't help with phrases like 'leader of the free world'. Essentially we need a cultural shift away from freedom of the individual to working for the benefit of society as a whole. Especially in a world that is becoming less and less sustainable, worrying about your own little personal freedoms or amassing your own wealth will not help you. Look at India where there were stories of rich people trying to buy ventilators, but couldn't. Yes some did, but others couldn't despite all their money and were no different from the poorest Indian citizen. [/QUOTE]
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