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<blockquote data-quote="Reiser99" data-source="post: 1053118" data-attributes="member: 72977"><p>It's really difficult, because part of your human rights is that you cannot have any kind of medical procedure forced on you and this includes vaccines. Does no vax=no job mean people are forced to have it, that's a grey area. However, at the same time this people are putting others at risk and causing problems for the companies they work for. Trying to think of a good comparison, but essentially an employee might have to take time off, for something that could have been prevented. It's a bit crap, but imagine an employee getting food poisoning from eating food that was mouldy and out of date. Yes they are ill, but they also put themselves at risk by their actions. Should they get sick pay in those circumstances?</p><p></p><p>For me anti-vaxxers stem from two main issues. The first is education. It's insane that we still live in a world where people think the world is flat, or they need to be electrocuted to remove dead alien spirits from their bodies. Anti-vaxxers are in the same category. Majority of education systems around the world are still aimed at getting children to repeat information necessary to pass a test and don't require much critical thinking. We don't teach people how to determine if information is correct, which leaves them open to misinformation and conspiracies. Social media companies also have a lot to answer for in allowing conspiracies theorists to reach their audience.</p><p>The second is this notion of freedom I've mentioned earlier in the thread, where people incorrectly believe that their personal freedoms are more important than society. Instead of creating a culture that encourages people to work for the benefit of everyone, we have societies that are based on doing the best for yourself. Therefore people only think about how the vaccine will affect them and not how it might affect others.</p><p></p><p>Put it simply, forcing people to have the vaccine, even indirectly, is dangerous territory and a slippery slope. Instead of using force, we need to better educate people and create a society where people think about more than just themselves. Unlikely to happen anytime soon, if ever, though as humans by nature are greedy and selfish.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Reiser99, post: 1053118, member: 72977"] It's really difficult, because part of your human rights is that you cannot have any kind of medical procedure forced on you and this includes vaccines. Does no vax=no job mean people are forced to have it, that's a grey area. However, at the same time this people are putting others at risk and causing problems for the companies they work for. Trying to think of a good comparison, but essentially an employee might have to take time off, for something that could have been prevented. It's a bit crap, but imagine an employee getting food poisoning from eating food that was mouldy and out of date. Yes they are ill, but they also put themselves at risk by their actions. Should they get sick pay in those circumstances? For me anti-vaxxers stem from two main issues. The first is education. It's insane that we still live in a world where people think the world is flat, or they need to be electrocuted to remove dead alien spirits from their bodies. Anti-vaxxers are in the same category. Majority of education systems around the world are still aimed at getting children to repeat information necessary to pass a test and don't require much critical thinking. We don't teach people how to determine if information is correct, which leaves them open to misinformation and conspiracies. Social media companies also have a lot to answer for in allowing conspiracies theorists to reach their audience. The second is this notion of freedom I've mentioned earlier in the thread, where people incorrectly believe that their personal freedoms are more important than society. Instead of creating a culture that encourages people to work for the benefit of everyone, we have societies that are based on doing the best for yourself. Therefore people only think about how the vaccine will affect them and not how it might affect others. Put it simply, forcing people to have the vaccine, even indirectly, is dangerous territory and a slippery slope. Instead of using force, we need to better educate people and create a society where people think about more than just themselves. Unlikely to happen anytime soon, if ever, though as humans by nature are greedy and selfish. [/QUOTE]
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