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<blockquote data-quote="DC" data-source="post: 93103"><p>it's their job to be in that gym training and becoming the strongest,fastest,and most physically prepared men on the field</p><p></p><p>i don't see how it can be said they are spending to much time in there</p><p>[/b]</p></blockquote><p></p><p></p><p>Do you not wonder why there are far more injuries in todays game compared to the amateur era? It's because players are now so strong that the game has been taken to a new physical level. One many cannot cope with.</p><p></p><p>Too much time in the gym has also lead to a decline in skill levels. I would be willing to bet that New Zealand players do not spend as much time in the gym as their English counterparts, but as a result, the skill levels of players in all positions are incredible.</p><p></p><p>Players with big muscles are not helping the game one bit. I'm sure you take all kinds of supplements which your body, at the age it is, isn't ready for. Would you take them if you weren't copying the example of the professionals? I doubt it.</p><p>[/b][/quote]</p><p></p><p>Yes let me forget that pat sanderson has been in the gym more than jerry collins or ma'a nonu <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite11" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll Eyes :rolleyes:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /> </p><p></p><p>That arguement is very wrong should i say so myself.. Sure there are more injuries but the bigger you are the harder you fall, its a fact of the game there are going to be injuries, but lifting also helps prevent a lot of these injuries, i.e. dislocation of joints.</p><p></p><p>I find it hard to believe that time in the gym decreases skill level. If anything it would make you better.. think it helps with your strength to brush off tackles, speed, and how you ruck, how it is detrimental to your playing ability you point it out to me.</p><p></p><p>I myself dont take supplements, only the occasional protein shake and i havent had one of those in a few months, all i do is lift and run, i dont lift my legs cause it can be troublesome for my knees (osgood schlotters a few years back)</p><p></p><p>I also train 7 days a week in the offseason and on season, i lift three times a week, run 4 and do passing and kicking drills daily.. I dont copy off any particular professional in any way, i lift because im small on the field, the weights give me a definite advantage..with the right mix of weights, cardio, and skill training rugby players will reach new heights in terms of skill level and physicality.</p><p></p><p>The thing is, is that new zealand is so dominant because they combine the rugby intelligence and the strength from weights together so nicely that they mesh instantly to form a very very very dominant unit.</p><p>[/b][/quote]</p><p></p><p>In reply to Collins or Nonu I simply pick out the likes of Andrew Sheridan. Individual examples mean squat. I'm sure Ben Cohen can bench press more than Joe Rokocoko, but I know who I'd rather have in my team at the moment.</p><p></p><p>Protein shake = supplement. You say you only take them occasionally, but why at all? I'm guessing it's not because your parents told you it was a good idea.</p><p></p><p>I'm not just picking my argument out of thin air - ex players have come out and said that players focus too much on strength, hence falling skill levels. </p><p></p><p>Your argument is flawed: weight training does not increase speed, sprint training does. Look at the fastest wongers in the world. I doubt they can lift more than Jerry Collins, but I sure as hell know who I would back in a race. Weight training does not increase your rucking proficiency, it's all about the technique. The front row of a scrum is a blinding obvious example of technique over bulk. Tom Smith is probably one of the smaller props in professional rugby, but for years he has been able to take apart his opposite number. This isn't because he goes to the gym to lift and push things non-stop, it's because he ups his skill level rather than just his muscle mass.</p><p>[/b][/quote]</p><p></p><p>Squats, Calf Raises, Dead Lifts all forms of lifting will make you faster when done apporpriately. Plyometrics a form of jumping/lifting using your own body weight will make you faster if done appropriaely. Every single player on the all blacks does Sprints, Squats, Calfs, Dead Lifts, and more than likely Plyometrics. </p><p></p><p>Actually my parents suggested the protein shakes. I only take them after a big workout where i have increased a good deal of weight on maybe a few of the lifts i do. Usually they cut down on the time for recovery and leave you with less of a lactic acid pain loaded feeling the next day.</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="DC, post: 93103"] it's their job to be in that gym training and becoming the strongest,fastest,and most physically prepared men on the field i don't see how it can be said they are spending to much time in there [/b][/quote] Do you not wonder why there are far more injuries in todays game compared to the amateur era? It's because players are now so strong that the game has been taken to a new physical level. One many cannot cope with. Too much time in the gym has also lead to a decline in skill levels. I would be willing to bet that New Zealand players do not spend as much time in the gym as their English counterparts, but as a result, the skill levels of players in all positions are incredible. Players with big muscles are not helping the game one bit. I'm sure you take all kinds of supplements which your body, at the age it is, isn't ready for. Would you take them if you weren't copying the example of the professionals? I doubt it. [/b][/quote] Yes let me forget that pat sanderson has been in the gym more than jerry collins or ma'a nonu :rolleyes: That arguement is very wrong should i say so myself.. Sure there are more injuries but the bigger you are the harder you fall, its a fact of the game there are going to be injuries, but lifting also helps prevent a lot of these injuries, i.e. dislocation of joints. I find it hard to believe that time in the gym decreases skill level. If anything it would make you better.. think it helps with your strength to brush off tackles, speed, and how you ruck, how it is detrimental to your playing ability you point it out to me. I myself dont take supplements, only the occasional protein shake and i havent had one of those in a few months, all i do is lift and run, i dont lift my legs cause it can be troublesome for my knees (osgood schlotters a few years back) I also train 7 days a week in the offseason and on season, i lift three times a week, run 4 and do passing and kicking drills daily.. I dont copy off any particular professional in any way, i lift because im small on the field, the weights give me a definite advantage..with the right mix of weights, cardio, and skill training rugby players will reach new heights in terms of skill level and physicality. The thing is, is that new zealand is so dominant because they combine the rugby intelligence and the strength from weights together so nicely that they mesh instantly to form a very very very dominant unit. [/b][/quote] In reply to Collins or Nonu I simply pick out the likes of Andrew Sheridan. Individual examples mean squat. I'm sure Ben Cohen can bench press more than Joe Rokocoko, but I know who I'd rather have in my team at the moment. Protein shake = supplement. You say you only take them occasionally, but why at all? I'm guessing it's not because your parents told you it was a good idea. I'm not just picking my argument out of thin air - ex players have come out and said that players focus too much on strength, hence falling skill levels. Your argument is flawed: weight training does not increase speed, sprint training does. Look at the fastest wongers in the world. I doubt they can lift more than Jerry Collins, but I sure as hell know who I would back in a race. Weight training does not increase your rucking proficiency, it's all about the technique. The front row of a scrum is a blinding obvious example of technique over bulk. Tom Smith is probably one of the smaller props in professional rugby, but for years he has been able to take apart his opposite number. This isn't because he goes to the gym to lift and push things non-stop, it's because he ups his skill level rather than just his muscle mass. [/b][/quote] Squats, Calf Raises, Dead Lifts all forms of lifting will make you faster when done apporpriately. Plyometrics a form of jumping/lifting using your own body weight will make you faster if done appropriaely. Every single player on the all blacks does Sprints, Squats, Calfs, Dead Lifts, and more than likely Plyometrics. Actually my parents suggested the protein shakes. I only take them after a big workout where i have increased a good deal of weight on maybe a few of the lifts i do. Usually they cut down on the time for recovery and leave you with less of a lactic acid pain loaded feeling the next day. [/QUOTE]
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