Eddie Jones on the ELVs so far.

[Prestwick]

Steady Eddie has some interesting points about the ELVs, namely one: nothing much has changed.

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"What they do demand is that you must be fitter and play better from un-structured ball. "But you don't need to go to a harum-scarum type of game. New Zealand showed that, they almost played traditional rugby in Auckland. And the Crusaders play exactly the same way. They play chiefly down in the opposition half, they don't run much from their own 22. They have a real go in opposition territory. It is not a complicated approach.

"But South Africa have gone to the other extreme, they're attacking off everything. And they're going lateral, not through defences. You have to go through sides like Australia and New Zealand first. South Africa's problem is if you have played one game then try to go to the other extreme, that's a danger. Knowing the South African players, I would say they would prefer much more discipline. There's no structure in their game at present and they have lost all their discipline."[/b]

I think the point about New Zealand is most important as they are playing a far more disciplined game in this brave, post RWC world. They're quite willing to grind out wins as well as romp home with twenty tries and that has to be a boost for them as they gradually build up to 2011.

(Sauce)

 

[Sir Speedy]

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I think the point about New Zealand is most important as they are playing a far more disciplined game in this brave, post RWC world. They're quite willing to grind out wins as well as romp home with twenty tries and that has to be a boost for them as they gradually build up to 2011.[/b]

If I recall, they did this pretty much from 2004 up to 2007 pre France in Cardiff... It'll definitely be a boost after flopping in the World Cup, though. I can't wait to see how Waes fare under the ELV's since a running game is deemed the traditional Welsh <strike>Way</strike> style... Should be interesting aslong as Mike Phillips doesn't try to run the ball from every ruck...

 

[Prestwick]

To be honest, Gatland and Edwards will do well to restrain Wale's lateral passing way/habit...

 

[Sir Speedy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Prestwick @ Aug 27 2008, 03:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

To be honest, Gatland and Edwards will do well to restrain Wale's lateral passing way/habit...[/b]

I think we've got over that since the World Cup... As a Welshman I almost applauded our style of play in Spring; especially against Ireland where, after half time, we were, I thought, simply fantastic. Our forwards were, at least. Some of the best play I've seen from this Welsh side...

 

[Prestwick]

Oh you never know, remember Wales were at this point roughly three years ago...

 

[Sir Speedy]

Fair point. Actions speak louder than words though; I'm sure Wales' clean-sweep (of the SH sides, not by the SH sides) in the Autumn will silence those hatin' ********! :angry:

 

[BLR]

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Fair point. Actions speak louder than words though; I'm sure Wales' clean-sweep (of the SH sides, not by the SH sides) in the Autumn will silence those hatin' ********![/b]

Can I have some of your drugs please? They seem to be doing a good job right there.

 

[Sir Speedy]

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Fair point. Actions speak louder than words though; I'm sure Wales' clean-sweep (of the SH sides, not by the SH sides) in the Autumn will silence those hatin' ********![/b]

Can I have some of your drugs please? They seem to be doing a good job right there.
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I'm pretty sure you said the same thing to me about the same discussion in a different thread. Sing a new song, would'ya? :zzz:

 

[BLR]

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I'm pretty sure you said the same thing to me about the same discussion in a different thread. Sing a new song, would'ya?[/b]

If it ain't broke, why fix it?

 

[Sir Speedy]

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I'm pretty sure you said the same thing to me about the same discussion in a different thread. Sing a new song, would'ya?[/b]

If it ain't broke, why fix it?
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Same argument can be applied to the ELV's. *runs away*

 

[Haysie]

Eddie + Jones = Muppet


Don't trip over too many things on the way out, Speed (Even your name tells us you need pills to recover from Welsh rugby!)

 

[candybum]

I thought the points he made were pretty true, especially those concerning the Boks. But in PDV, we trust lol he says his new style will work.... so it will work daaag nammit

 

[TyphoonsRugby]

funny thing about PdV, hes never coached professionally, compared to every other national coach

 

[Steve-o]

He did coach a Currie Cup team called the Falcons a number of years ago for 2 seasons (somewhere around 2001 I think) and has been involved in national age group rugby every since.
But Eddie makes very good, and very true, points about rugby under the ELVs. There's not much difference between the old laws (considering the ones that'll be trialed in the NH) and the basics are more important than ever because there is less room for errors because it's a bit easier to exploit attacking possibilities.

PdV should take note that 3 highly respected coaches have commented on his new "style". Eddie Jones and Jake White have criticized it while stating good solid reasons why. While a broadly smiling Robbie Deans encouraged Peter de Villiers to stick it out *hint hint*

 

[Prestwick]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Haysie @ Aug 27 2008, 06:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Eddie + Jones = Muppet [/b]

I don't understand, why is Eddie Jones a muppet for suggesting that Australia and New Zealand have adapted well to the ELVs?

Would you like him better if he said that the ELVs were poo and that Australia and New Zealand had completely failed to adapt to them? :blink:

 

[Dmx#1]

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Eddie + Jones = Muppet [/b]

I don't understand, why is Eddie Jones a muppet for suggesting that Australia and New Zealand have adapted well to the ELVs?

Would you like him better if he said that the ELVs were poo and that Australia and New Zealand had completely failed to adapt to them? :blink:
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Maybe he's saying Eddie Jones is a muppet regardless of what his views on the ELVs are.

 

[Prestwick]

Ooh dear, he isn't finished yet.

Please, lets not burn the guy at the stake, you know who you are by the way <_<

 

[Haysie]

Oh no, don't get me wrong, he makes plenty of valid arguments on the ELV's and other related issues. The man is just a muppet. He's screwed Australian rugby over so many times both provincially and internationally that it's hard to hold any level of respect for him at all.

 

[BLR]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Haysie @ Aug 28 2008, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Oh no, don't get me wrong, he makes plenty of valid arguments on the ELV's and other related issues. The man is just a muppet. He's screwed Australian rugby over so many times both provincially and internationally that it's hard to hold any level of respect for him at all.[/b]

But he's Saracens coach, he can't possibly be anything but Jesus reincarnate?

 

[O'Rothlain]

I don't mind the ELV's. It makes for a quicker game. So, from a coaching standpoint I like quite a few of the rules (especially concerning the lineout). Again, don't like the pulling down of the maul, but c'est la vie.
I think what Eddie said is pretty true. It's not as radical as everyone thought. Fitness has to be to a higher standard, but what's the shame in that? I hope they reconsider the maul, but the rest are fine with me. I just have to explain to our ref's here that WE WILL BE PLAYING BY THE NEW ELV's PER THE IRB. They don't like it when I pull that card. I had to do it on Saturday. The ref said he wasn't going to do it because he and the other team weren't that familiar with them. I said, "That's not my fault. It's been trialed for well over a year and televised and you've recieved your book and dvd on it and it's been readilly available online. The iRB said it started on 01 August and USA Rugby has complied. So, I have, regardless of my dislike for some of them, trained my team how to play under these new laws and that's how this match is to be governed."