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<blockquote data-quote="gingergenius" data-source="post: 305657"><p><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Logorrhea @ Mar 1 2010, 08:58 AM) <a href="http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=439195" target="_blank"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div></p><p></p><p>This is the standard statement from an English rugby fan since 2003. "We have the talent but we dont have the right coach". The same was said in the last WC, and every other 6 nations tournament since 2003. Looking at it from an outsiders point of view, I dont agree.</p><p></p><p>The Coach has been changed numerous times and everytime it was as a result of pressure from the press. When are you going to look at the players themselves, and the clubs producing them. Take Danny Care for example. I thought he had a pretty good game but this is the second year in a row when his "attitude" has cost your team points. Last year it was 10 mins in the bin, this year it was a penalty that led to a try. You lost by 4 points. </p><p></p><p>Johnson wasnt far off picking the team you all were screaming for a few months ago (Borthwick aside). On Saturday they threw the ball around with abandon which you were all screaming for, yet hes still crap. </p><p></p><p>You lot are starting to remind me of Newcastle fans before the fall.</p><p></p><p>On the coaching side of things. Hows about you let a coach get more then four years experience in the domestic game before you ruin him. Get a coach from the SH for a few years and get your clubs breeding quality coaches. You bring in Booth and Mallender (Jesus Ive even heard some people talk about Catt) now and you'll get the same **** all over again.</p><p>[/b]</p></blockquote><p></p><p>I really don't think the Danny Care incident was lack of discipline. That sort of thing happens all the time and goes unpunished. It was a case of a power-tripping touch judge (who couldn't speak English) making a big deal out of nothing. Besides that, take Shaw, Moody and Easter out of the equation and England hardly concede any penalties and hardly have any yellow cards given. Discipline is not a problem; attitude may well be amongst some young players with massive egos but you hope they grow out of it. Haskell has.</p><p></p><p>Onto bigger things, every England fan on here (which is basically me, Oly and Mite) have all said for ages that Wilkinson wastes any creativity in his outside backs. We may have had much better tactics on Saturday, but Wilko still took the ball too deep and tried to jink through himself far too often. What didn't help was the fact that no England coach has bothered to procure us a proper 7, added to the fact that the Irish were allowed to put their hands all over the ball in the rucks, meaning we were turned over or got slow ball.</p><p></p><p>I really think that we're missing chances to build a proper team simply by not being adventurous enough. Obviously now, 1 year before a world cup with the coach STILL under pressure for results and performances, the future is not at the top of everyone's list.</p><p></p><p>Which is why we need a coach with 4 years to do the job. I'd have no problem with Jake White or anyone, no matter where they come from, so long as they're proven to be a good coach. World class players emerge once given their oppurtunity on the international stage... but they have to be given it first. We haven't managed our talent properly so far.</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="gingergenius, post: 305657"] <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Logorrhea @ Mar 1 2010, 08:58 AM) [url='index.php?act=findpost&pid=439195']<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div> This is the standard statement from an English rugby fan since 2003. "We have the talent but we dont have the right coach". The same was said in the last WC, and every other 6 nations tournament since 2003. Looking at it from an outsiders point of view, I dont agree. The Coach has been changed numerous times and everytime it was as a result of pressure from the press. When are you going to look at the players themselves, and the clubs producing them. Take Danny Care for example. I thought he had a pretty good game but this is the second year in a row when his "attitude" has cost your team points. Last year it was 10 mins in the bin, this year it was a penalty that led to a try. You lost by 4 points. Johnson wasnt far off picking the team you all were screaming for a few months ago (Borthwick aside). On Saturday they threw the ball around with abandon which you were all screaming for, yet hes still crap. You lot are starting to remind me of Newcastle fans before the fall. On the coaching side of things. Hows about you let a coach get more then four years experience in the domestic game before you ruin him. Get a coach from the SH for a few years and get your clubs breeding quality coaches. You bring in Booth and Mallender (Jesus Ive even heard some people talk about Catt) now and you'll get the same **** all over again. [/b][/quote] I really don't think the Danny Care incident was lack of discipline. That sort of thing happens all the time and goes unpunished. It was a case of a power-tripping touch judge (who couldn't speak English) making a big deal out of nothing. Besides that, take Shaw, Moody and Easter out of the equation and England hardly concede any penalties and hardly have any yellow cards given. Discipline is not a problem; attitude may well be amongst some young players with massive egos but you hope they grow out of it. Haskell has. Onto bigger things, every England fan on here (which is basically me, Oly and Mite) have all said for ages that Wilkinson wastes any creativity in his outside backs. We may have had much better tactics on Saturday, but Wilko still took the ball too deep and tried to jink through himself far too often. What didn't help was the fact that no England coach has bothered to procure us a proper 7, added to the fact that the Irish were allowed to put their hands all over the ball in the rucks, meaning we were turned over or got slow ball. I really think that we're missing chances to build a proper team simply by not being adventurous enough. Obviously now, 1 year before a world cup with the coach STILL under pressure for results and performances, the future is not at the top of everyone's list. Which is why we need a coach with 4 years to do the job. I'd have no problem with Jake White or anyone, no matter where they come from, so long as they're proven to be a good coach. World class players emerge once given their oppurtunity on the international stage... but they have to be given it first. We haven't managed our talent properly so far. [/QUOTE]
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