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<blockquote data-quote="Leinster Fan" data-source="post: 954587" data-attributes="member: 76349"><p>It's not really relevant to the thread so I'll be brief but you keep citing yesterday's game as evidence of this, which I think is a bit bizarre as only one of those players was playing. As I say, James Ryan genuinely hasn't played a single game of professional rugby where he wasn't one of our best players on the pitch (it sounds ridiculous but it's 100% true, as someone who's watched every game he's played, which is pretty sad but you don't post over 1000 times on a rugby forum in two years by being cool). Even when Ireland or Leinster lose he's usually a heroic standout. It's just weird given that of all the Irish players who have been in terrible form all year and given that there were 10+ players who humiliated themselves on Saturday it seems bizarre for you to single out one of the few guys who has been consistently good and didn't play in the nightmare game against England. (It's not like there's a shortage of choice, any of Best, O'Mahony, Stander, Sexton, Murray, Stockdale and probably a fair few others are easy targets right now.) Whether or not he'd have made a difference on Saturday I don't know but I will say with complete confidence he wouldn't have collapsed or pulled his pants down the way the guys who were playing did.</p><p></p><p>None of this is an attack on Itoje, who is a genuinely brilliant player, but I do find the constant comparisons between him and Ryan silly, it's as tiresome as Messi/Ronaldo (or Sexton/ROG in Ireland) at this point. They're both amazing players and easily the two best lock (and possibly foward) talents the Northern Hemisphere has produced in the best part of a decade and trying to put one down in favour of the other is just unnecessary, we should all just look forward to them playing together in 2021.</p><p></p><p>I'll happily admit that that was neither brief or relevant to the thread but I have nothing better to do right now.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Leinster Fan, post: 954587, member: 76349"] It's not really relevant to the thread so I'll be brief but you keep citing yesterday's game as evidence of this, which I think is a bit bizarre as only one of those players was playing. As I say, James Ryan genuinely hasn't played a single game of professional rugby where he wasn't one of our best players on the pitch (it sounds ridiculous but it's 100% true, as someone who's watched every game he's played, which is pretty sad but you don't post over 1000 times on a rugby forum in two years by being cool). Even when Ireland or Leinster lose he's usually a heroic standout. It's just weird given that of all the Irish players who have been in terrible form all year and given that there were 10+ players who humiliated themselves on Saturday it seems bizarre for you to single out one of the few guys who has been consistently good and didn't play in the nightmare game against England. (It's not like there's a shortage of choice, any of Best, O'Mahony, Stander, Sexton, Murray, Stockdale and probably a fair few others are easy targets right now.) Whether or not he'd have made a difference on Saturday I don't know but I will say with complete confidence he wouldn't have collapsed or pulled his pants down the way the guys who were playing did. None of this is an attack on Itoje, who is a genuinely brilliant player, but I do find the constant comparisons between him and Ryan silly, it's as tiresome as Messi/Ronaldo (or Sexton/ROG in Ireland) at this point. They're both amazing players and easily the two best lock (and possibly foward) talents the Northern Hemisphere has produced in the best part of a decade and trying to put one down in favour of the other is just unnecessary, we should all just look forward to them playing together in 2021. I'll happily admit that that was neither brief or relevant to the thread but I have nothing better to do right now. [/QUOTE]
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