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<blockquote data-quote="Mrs. Peter Quinn" data-source="post: 585544" data-attributes="member: 12190"><p>I think that Billy's inclusion in the eps is almost misleading - I don't think he's as close to picking up more caps as it might seem. I'd be prepared to bet that if, tomorrow, Ben Morgan is ruled out of the autumn internationals, Lancaster's immediate plan B would be to go for Wood or Robshaw at 8 rather than Billy. Such a scenario would really pull the rug from beneath lancaster's feet; whilst Morgan is fit and ready, Lancaster can think long-term about the development of players like Billy, and not worry about battle readiness. If Morgan suffers an injury and vunipola is the first 8man in line, I think lancaster would have to confront the facts about Billy's current game and ultimately, that Nick Easter or Tom Waldrom would be safer bets. </p><p></p><p>In a conservatively coached englnd side which emphasises keeping it tight and safe, success through group buy-in to tight defensive structures and by not gifting oppostion sides easy 3 pointers, Billy V at this moment in time is a genuine liability. Just to add, Morgan at his best is a full-on bulldozer; he bounces countless defenders, just as Billy V does. I agree with Peat, there's not a big physical gulf between the two - and that Morgan has this string to his bow, is part of what makes me doubt that Vunipola will ever be as good as Morgan.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mrs. Peter Quinn, post: 585544, member: 12190"] I think that Billy's inclusion in the eps is almost misleading - I don't think he's as close to picking up more caps as it might seem. I'd be prepared to bet that if, tomorrow, Ben Morgan is ruled out of the autumn internationals, Lancaster's immediate plan B would be to go for Wood or Robshaw at 8 rather than Billy. Such a scenario would really pull the rug from beneath lancaster's feet; whilst Morgan is fit and ready, Lancaster can think long-term about the development of players like Billy, and not worry about battle readiness. If Morgan suffers an injury and vunipola is the first 8man in line, I think lancaster would have to confront the facts about Billy's current game and ultimately, that Nick Easter or Tom Waldrom would be safer bets. In a conservatively coached englnd side which emphasises keeping it tight and safe, success through group buy-in to tight defensive structures and by not gifting oppostion sides easy 3 pointers, Billy V at this moment in time is a genuine liability. Just to add, Morgan at his best is a full-on bulldozer; he bounces countless defenders, just as Billy V does. I agree with Peat, there's not a big physical gulf between the two - and that Morgan has this string to his bow, is part of what makes me doubt that Vunipola will ever be as good as Morgan. [/QUOTE]
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