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[EOYT] Italy vs. Argentina 23/11/13
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<blockquote data-quote="Big Ewis" data-source="post: 607471" data-attributes="member: 57076"><p>Aspry, you're wrong.</p><p>Italy are nowhere near better than Argentina psychologically. Trust me. </p><p>Italy started the year with a big win at home against France. They were playing fine defense, scoring constructed tries, outsmarting the opponent, making kicks, even gathered and scored 2 drop goals, holding in the scrum, and ultimately held off a strong resurgence from the French around the last 10 minutes. They looked in complete control, ready to challenge, utterly professional, and Orquera unquestionably played the game of his life.</p><p></p><p>The next week, they go to Scotland, a team that's had its struggles, and concede 4 tries and a 34-10 battering. They play like shyt again in Rome against Wales, some horribly messy parts that match. 9-26.</p><p></p><p>Then, they decide they'll be good again in Twickenham of all places in European Rugby. They score 1 try to none, play very solid defense, nearly scored a second England can seriously thank God and held a whole 80minutes and applied pressure on an England side that looked clumsy, fairly out of control and nervous. 18-11 home side. </p><p>Finally, a solid home effort against Ireland for their first win ever.</p><p></p><p>In the summer Quadrangular, the only thing they did well was the scrum, thus perpetuating the reputation that Italians can only win at home. They couldn't play for shyt, <strong>Aspry</strong>, a disaster is not too strong a word. Lost all games, two complete blowouts and one tight game against fellow 6N Scotland.</p><p></p><p>This past November, they've shown the same lameness on defense and complete inability to hold a Tier 1 attack at all:</p><p> 50 points and 7 tries conceded against Australia, then a narrow 6point win against Fiji allowing 5 tries...</p><p></p><p>They've been a disaster for the past few months.</p><p></p><p><u>Argentina in comparison:</u></p><p><u></u></p><p><u></u>Argentina have managed good results away from home, contrary to Italy. A one point loss in Australia, a decent effort in NZ. You say there's no excuse for the way Argentina's been playing, I beg to differ: there are all too many excuses, and I don't even know all the details about Puma Rugby atm: </p><p>Lobbe is the most important player on that side by far. They play better when he's there, they need his leadership, his work at the breakdown, his experience. His importance to the Pumas is primordial. The terrible coach they've had all this time, the defense has been God-awful in matches, and the attack has been completely dead most of the way all year. Their interim coach atm isn't solving any issues. In fact, they look a lot more lost now.</p><p>And add big injuries throughout on a team that's struggling as it is and doesn't have much depth. </p><p>With the quality players Argentina has, forwards and backs, there's no way in Hell they should be bad right now. But all the chemistry is gone, and they have little-to-no plan at all, and have become a Tier 2 nation.</p><p></p><p>There's a point where when you're losing like that and you're used to good results, you just can't hold a full 80min, and I think they've dragged themselves a bit lately, but have shown huge heart and tremendous effort many times this year.</p><p></p><p>So there are very good reasons why the Pumas have been inconsistent and downright bad this year. There aren't for Italy. They've been the same players, same coach, same everything. They just suck.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Big Ewis, post: 607471, member: 57076"] Aspry, you're wrong. Italy are nowhere near better than Argentina psychologically. Trust me. Italy started the year with a big win at home against France. They were playing fine defense, scoring constructed tries, outsmarting the opponent, making kicks, even gathered and scored 2 drop goals, holding in the scrum, and ultimately held off a strong resurgence from the French around the last 10 minutes. They looked in complete control, ready to challenge, utterly professional, and Orquera unquestionably played the game of his life. The next week, they go to Scotland, a team that's had its struggles, and concede 4 tries and a 34-10 battering. They play like shyt again in Rome against Wales, some horribly messy parts that match. 9-26. Then, they decide they'll be good again in Twickenham of all places in European Rugby. They score 1 try to none, play very solid defense, nearly scored a second England can seriously thank God and held a whole 80minutes and applied pressure on an England side that looked clumsy, fairly out of control and nervous. 18-11 home side. Finally, a solid home effort against Ireland for their first win ever. In the summer Quadrangular, the only thing they did well was the scrum, thus perpetuating the reputation that Italians can only win at home. They couldn't play for shyt, [B]Aspry[/B], a disaster is not too strong a word. Lost all games, two complete blowouts and one tight game against fellow 6N Scotland. This past November, they've shown the same lameness on defense and complete inability to hold a Tier 1 attack at all: 50 points and 7 tries conceded against Australia, then a narrow 6point win against Fiji allowing 5 tries... They've been a disaster for the past few months. [U]Argentina in comparison: [/U]Argentina have managed good results away from home, contrary to Italy. A one point loss in Australia, a decent effort in NZ. You say there's no excuse for the way Argentina's been playing, I beg to differ: there are all too many excuses, and I don't even know all the details about Puma Rugby atm: Lobbe is the most important player on that side by far. They play better when he's there, they need his leadership, his work at the breakdown, his experience. His importance to the Pumas is primordial. The terrible coach they've had all this time, the defense has been God-awful in matches, and the attack has been completely dead most of the way all year. Their interim coach atm isn't solving any issues. In fact, they look a lot more lost now. And add big injuries throughout on a team that's struggling as it is and doesn't have much depth. With the quality players Argentina has, forwards and backs, there's no way in Hell they should be bad right now. But all the chemistry is gone, and they have little-to-no plan at all, and have become a Tier 2 nation. There's a point where when you're losing like that and you're used to good results, you just can't hold a full 80min, and I think they've dragged themselves a bit lately, but have shown huge heart and tremendous effort many times this year. So there are very good reasons why the Pumas have been inconsistent and downright bad this year. There aren't for Italy. They've been the same players, same coach, same everything. They just suck. [/QUOTE]
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