[EOYT] Scotland vs South Africa 16/11/13

[TRF_heineken]

Nick Mallett said that we must treat the Scots with disdain, and I think we did a good job of that. We only went for the 3 points once, and then Lambie missed the kick. All the other times we went for the lineout, and on 2 occasions we scored tries through the driving maul.

I think Eze has to rethink a few things... Not just on Willie, but also Lambie. with the amount of ball we had, our backline should've been much more attacking. and Lambie played too flat and went on his own way too much.

Lambie is just not making the cut at fly half for the boks...

 

[Chikwa]

Nick Mallett said that we must treat the Scots with disdain, and I think we did a good job of that. We only went for the 3 points once, and then Lambie missed the kick. All the other times we went for the lineout, and on 2 occasions we scored tries through the driving maul.

I think Eze has to rethink a few things... Not just on Willie, but also Lambie. with the amount of ball we had, our backline should've been much more attacking. and Lambie played too flat and went on his own way too much.

Lambie is just not making the cut at fly half for the boks...

I love the passion of your coach nick mallet. He is a passionate guy who seems to wear his aggression on his sleeve. A former Rhodes schlolar.A highly intelligent man.When you treat weaker teams with disdain it creates fear in your opponents.None of us are giving the French a chance .

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

A couple of things;

- SA fans were either braaiing or helping out trying to limit flood damage (us in the Cape)

On the actual game

- what the hell call was that from the TMO there at the end; we all had a good laugh
- good to have a shut-out but really, we should have been at the 40 point mark but credit to Scotland; they contained well for the most part and did start making in roads at the end, though I do feel a lot of that has to do with
- Bismarck's line-out throwing; what!?, lets hope that was a rare off day as I see him starting against France and we can't give possession away like that against France.
- what a horrendous pitch and that after the pitch in Wales wasn't too great either, c'mon, this is test rugby and the groundkeepers and/or decision makers should be considering overhauls
- Le Roux, what class, can come from nowhere to strike, I'd like to see him AND Habana on top of their game for next week, not alternating the 'spark' duties
- Jaque Fourie went from a solid game if unspectacular to ****
- there was really no need to include Bakkies and PSdT would/could/should probably have gotten a good debut under the belt
- good scrambling defense, we will probably need to be solid in out 1st up tackling against France next week

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Lambie is just not making the cut at fly half for the boks...

Have to agree with that. Lambie has been great at Currie Cup and Super Rugby, but isn't looking great at international level at 10. He's still young, so there's plenty of time for him to grow into it, but it's strange to wonder how many more tries they could have scored if Steyn had started :lol:

 

[TRF_heineken]

A couple of things;

- SA fans were either braaiing or helping out trying to limit flood damage (us in the Cape)

Are you guys alright?? I saw some photos and that storm made some damage!

We had the opposite! It was soooo effing hot here in Limpopo!! Last night at 20:00 when I drove home, the temperature was 32 degrees celsius!!

- what the hell call was that from the TMO there at the end; we all had a good laugh

What bothered me more was that there was no big screen footage for the ref to see what was going on!

- good to have a shut-out but really, we should have been at the 40 point mark but credit to Scotland; they contained well for the most part and did start making in roads at the end, though I do feel a lot of that has to do with

In all honesty I would've liked one more try, but the pitch and the weather made it really hard in the second half to do something other than pick and drive.

- Bismarck's line-out throwing; what!?, lets hope that was a rare off day as I see him starting against France and we can't give possession away like that against France.

It was weird to see him throw like that! did he take classes from Scarra Ntubeni before the game??

- what a horrendous pitch and that after the pitch in Wales wasn't too great either, c'mon, this is test rugby and the groundkeepers and/or decision makers should be considering overhauls

Clifton Beach has more grip than Murrayfield!! Shocking!! and HM was worried about the pitch before the game!

- Le Roux, what class, can come from nowhere to strike, I'd like to see him AND Habana on top of their game for next week, not alternating the 'spark' duties

Willie was awesome!! But I think he will be on the bench against France

- Jaque Fourie went from a solid game if unspectacular to ****

His defensive organising was good, but apart from that, really really crap. JJ could've come on a lot earlier!

- there was really no need to include Bakkies and PSdT would/could/should probably have gotten a good debut under the belt

Bakkies had a good game! and proved to HM that he still has fuel in the tank! I think he did what was expected of him, without any thuggish antics

- good scrambling defense, we will probably need to be solid in out 1st up tackling against France next week

This impressed me the most! To get a shut-out win doesn't happen that often!

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

Are you guys alright?? I saw some photos and that storm made some damage!

We had the opposite! It was soooo effing hot here in Limpopo!! Last night at 20:00 when I drove home, the temperature was 32 degrees celsius!!




What bothered me more was that there was no big screen footage for the ref to see what was going on!

In all honesty I would've liked one more try, but the pitch and the weather made it really hard in the second half to do something other than pick and drive.


It was weird to see him throw like that! did he take classes from Scarra Ntubeni before the game??


Clifton Beach has more grip than Murrayfield!! Shocking!! and HM was worried about the pitch before the game!


Willie was awesome!! But I think he will be on the bench against France


His defensive organising was good, but apart from that, really really crap. JJ could've come on a lot earlier!

Bakkies had a good game! and proved to HM that he still has fuel in the tank! I think he did what was expected of him, without any thuggish antics

This impressed me the most! To get a shut-out win doesn't happen that often!

I'm alright, yeah, thanks. I was helping out at my parents where the ground floor is just about a write-off. Hopefully no problems with the foundations as they are on a bit of a slope. Luckily a tree that fell missed their house by bout 1/2 a meter. But yeah, sadly there are some out there with a lot of troubles.

We are in agreement. I would just like if Le Roux could be allowed of couple of games playing at 15 on the trot. He has been moved around from 15 to bench to 14 to bench to 15.. it just seems a shame.

 

[TRF_heineken]

I'm alright, yeah, thanks. I was helping out at my parents where the ground floor is just about a write-off. Hopefully no problems with the foundations as they are on a bit of a slope. Luckily a tree that fell missed their house by bout 1/2 a meter. But yeah, sadly there are some out there with a lot of troubles.

We are in agreement. I would just like if Le Roux could be allowed of couple of games playing at 15 on the trot. He has been moved around from 15 to bench to 14 to bench to 15.. it just seems a shame.

Glad to hear that you guys are okay!

Willie has been moved around a bit, but that's because of the Cheetahs also moving him around a lot. It would be nice if he can settle in at 15 permanently, but that I think will only happen next year, at the earliest.

Oh by the way, I was at the live performance of Toks and Tjops on Friday night at my High School. I met a few of the guys of the show and had a lot of fun. Arno Botha was also there and he took part in a celebrity cycle tour. He told us that he's doing well with the recovery and will start rugby training with the Bulls next week... A bit off topic I know, but I wanted to share this.

 

[Gena_ZA]

Being in front of a PC while watching my Bok play is the very last thing I want to do.
Must have terrible weather or illness before I go to that level.

We went to a family resort this weekend and I got sunburn like a Boss in 35 degrees sunshine (yes it exist) but it was huge fun.
Got home to watch the game Sunday at 17H00 our time and what a nice way to round off an excellent Saffa weekend.

As I said before the game, time we shut them up for good, and we did, now for the Frenchies, nom nom

 

[TRF_heineken]

Being in front of a PC while watching my Bok play is the very last thing I want to do.
Must have terrible weather or illness before I go to that level.

We went to a family resort this weekend and I got sunburn like a Boss in 35 degrees sunshine (yes it exist) but it was huge fun.
Got home to watch the game Sunday at 17H00 our time and what a nice way to round off an excellent Saffa weekend.

As I said before the game, time we shut them up for good, and we did, now for the Frenchies, nom nom

You were probably in the Northern part of the country! The whole weekend was blerrie hot in Polokwane!!

Saturday's Maximum was 41 degrees celsius and Yesterday was 38 degrees celsius!! I got sunburn from sitting in my house!!!

 

[Gena_ZA]

Was just outside Pretoria - Manzi Monate - nice clean resort

 

[ajwffc]

The problem with the Murrayfield pitch has been affected by a parasite that is attacking roots.
http://www.scottishrugby.org/news/13/11/06/murrayfield-pitch-update

 

[Packman]

Okay the next paragraph will drip with sarcasm.

So Scotland 0 - 28 South Africa. Yeah well I think its been proven without any shadow of doubt that Scotland are in rude health and will positively flourish with only Glasgow playing in a European cup. Having roughly 50 players playing in the northern hemisphere's elite club competition is obvious overkill. I think The English and French clubs are obviously in the right by insisting Scott Johnson pick his national team from about 26 players instead. I mean whats so stupid about that? I'm sure Scottish rugby will go from strength to strength and win the next world cups in a row!

OR...

Just maybe, getting nilled by a South African side that got bored after about 50 minutes means that Scotland are continuing to limp long in professional rugby, barely keeping their heads above the water line AND NEED AS MANY PLAYERS EXPOSED TO TOP FLIGHT RUGBY AS POSSIBLE!

This "I'm alright Jock" attitude that PRL and LNR have adopted isn't what rugby is about. Any Englishman who values a hard fought Calcutta cup win might want to think about what they've got to lose. Rugby may be a business but its a business that must be run in spirit of the game, not to the accountant's tune. We don't let BP get away with pumping oil into the Mexican gulf "because they are a business". I won't stand quietly by and let PRL and LNR ruin the international game. The "We're a business" excuse is as feeble as it comes. How far does that attitude get companies that are being prosecuted by the HSE for negligence after an injury in the work place??? It doesn't wash. It never has and it never will and people get a wake up call pretty quick because people should give a damn about everyone else.

Was Scotland vs SA a good test match? No. What can be done to give Scotland the best chance of competing? Dumping Edinburgh into a European competition where they'll face the likes of Bucharesti and Worcester isn't it, is it.

 

[iINDOMINUSxx]

Okay the next paragraph will drip with sarcasm.

So Scotland 0 - 28 South Africa. Yeah well I think its been proven without any shadow of doubt that Scotland are in rude health and will positively flourish with only Glasgow playing in a European cup. Having roughly 50 players playing in the northern hemisphere's elite club competition is obvious overkill. I think The English and French clubs are obviously in the right by insisting Scott Johnson pick his national team from about 26 players instead. I mean whats so stupid about that? I'm sure Scottish rugby will go from strength to strength and win the next world cups in a row!

OR...

Just maybe, getting nilled by a South African side that got bored after about 50 minutes means that Scotland are continuing to limp long in professional rugby, barely keeping their heads above the water line AND NEED AS MANY PLAYERS EXPOSED TO TOP FLIGHT RUGBY AS POSSIBLE!

This "I'm alright Jock" attitude that PRL and LNR have adopted isn't what rugby is about. Any Englishman who values a hard fought Calcutta cup win might want to think about what they've got to lose. Rugby may be a business but its a business that must be run in spirit of the game, not to the accountant's tune. We don't let BP get away with pumping oil into the Mexican gulf "because they are a business". I won't stand quietly by and let PRL and LNR ruin the international game. The "We're a business" excuse is as feeble as it comes. How far does that attitude get companies that are being prosecuted by the HSE for negligence after an injury in the work place??? It doesn't wash. It never has and it never will and people get a wake up call pretty quick because people should give a damn about everyone else.

Was Scotland vs SA a good test match? No. What can be done to give Scotland the best chance of competing? Dumping Edinburgh into a European competition where they'll face the likes of Bucharesti and Worcester isn't it, is it.

but the only problem with scottish rugby is that we dont have a decent 10 who can play because we have players who would be effective in attack but the 10 cant really get to them and in the game our main captain is injured and so is our best players like stuart hogg, tim visser and matt scott

 

[Dougydeluxe]

We played like ****.... I was so upset watching the game. I am happy my parents took me out for brunch at about the 60 min mark. Could not stand to watch another minute of it.

There is no way we are going to be able to make any inroads at the RWC, or more importantly having a chance at wining the 6 Nations if we keep playing like this.

As for the Truck and trailer, I believe it was the second maul... It was not a truck and trailer, but Bismark was just grabbing the guys jersey waiting to pounce over the line. The commentators mentioned how that is not exactly a maul. it is a bit of a grey area, but I bet someone else on the forum would know more.

 

[ruggabee]

Willie Le Roux is 6 ft 3 He always struck me as a small guy.

 

[Draggs]

Willie is 186cm, 6'1", according to SARugby.
http://www.sarugby.net/playerprofile.aspx?id=43641&category=&leagueid=0

 

[ruggabee]

I guess that's why people say Wiki isn't a reliable source of information...

 

[Big Ewis]

Willie Le Roux is 6 ft 3 He always struck me as a small guy.

6'1...even 6'3, that's tiny in a Springbok roster.

 

[ruggabee]

6'1...even 6'3, that's tiny in a Springbok roster.

Heh maybe the forwards. Fourie and De Villiers are the tallest in the backs at about 6'3 (I relied on wiki again). Le Roux just always struck me as looking small compared to the other backs. Probably cos he's on the lighter side as well.

 

[David Smith]

6'1...even 6'3, that's tiny in a Springbok roster.

This ain't the NBA, 6'3 is most likely the average height.

[h=1]Duane Vermeulen: 6'4[/h]Willem Alberts: 6'4
Francois Louw: 6'2
Bismark: 6'2

Catch my drift. Locks don't count

 

[Packman]

but the only problem with scottish rugby is that we dont have a decent 10 who can play because we have players who would be effective in attack but the 10 cant really get to them and in the game our main captain is injured and so is our best players like stuart hogg, tim visser and matt scott

But I'd suggest that having two clubs playing in the European cup would help build international depth at ten quicker than just relying on Glasgow alone.

 

[Big Ewis]

Heh maybe the forwards. Fourie and De Villiers are the tallest in the backs at about 6'3 (I relied on wiki again). Le Roux just always struck me as looking small compared to the other backs. Probably cos he's on the lighter side as well.

but wiki is your unbiased, professional, all-reliable source...wiki is your friend.

 

[ruggabee]

but wiki is your unbiased, professional, all-reliable source...wiki is your friend.

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