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<blockquote data-quote="Peat" data-source="post: 544820" data-attributes="member: 42330"><p>This is not - or rather should not, imo - be an "omg the IRB regs are too lax" thing. Fourie was here for more than five years before he was first capped and could have probably applied for British citizenship in that time. And by probably, I mean I've just looked at the regs and five years is definitely enough, but I don't know how much time he spent outside the country. He could still appeal, but is choosing not to. The story here is that the Border Agency have simply gone ahead and gone "Bye!" regardless of service to country - which is a shame, but not exactly news, when you consider the story of the Gurkhas for example. The other story is that arguably Hendre Fourie is a little lazy and should have got his passport sooner which would have solved the problem.</p><p></p><p>I dislike these calls for vastly tightened regulations. I'd support an increase in residency but that's about it, and frankly some of the proposed changes would do very little but could cause problems. Citizenship rules vary widely from country to country. Some countries allow people to claim citizenship through a grandparent, which could leave us with the amusing case of someone being a citizen but unable to play for their country if you made it parents only without including citizenship. And plenty of people have dual citizenship. Also, make it citizen only, and you then need an entire sub-section of the regulations to cover the case of GB&NI, where we are all British citizens. I believe strongly that nationality is a fickle beast in this day and age and would rather maintain more liberal regulations and allow the odd joke case through than tighten things up and start barring people from representing a nationality they rightfully identify with.</p><p></p><p>It's not like there's widespread abuse of the current regulations either. People act like there is, but there's not. Imo, I can think of only two three year residences and two dodgy grandparent calls in recent years - again I'm probably missing some, but considering how many international caps have been handed out, I don't think that's anything much to get worked out about imo. Oops, sorry, three, just seen Mike Harris. Still fine with it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Peat, post: 544820, member: 42330"] This is not - or rather should not, imo - be an "omg the IRB regs are too lax" thing. Fourie was here for more than five years before he was first capped and could have probably applied for British citizenship in that time. And by probably, I mean I've just looked at the regs and five years is definitely enough, but I don't know how much time he spent outside the country. He could still appeal, but is choosing not to. The story here is that the Border Agency have simply gone ahead and gone "Bye!" regardless of service to country - which is a shame, but not exactly news, when you consider the story of the Gurkhas for example. The other story is that arguably Hendre Fourie is a little lazy and should have got his passport sooner which would have solved the problem. I dislike these calls for vastly tightened regulations. I'd support an increase in residency but that's about it, and frankly some of the proposed changes would do very little but could cause problems. Citizenship rules vary widely from country to country. Some countries allow people to claim citizenship through a grandparent, which could leave us with the amusing case of someone being a citizen but unable to play for their country if you made it parents only without including citizenship. And plenty of people have dual citizenship. Also, make it citizen only, and you then need an entire sub-section of the regulations to cover the case of GB&NI, where we are all British citizens. I believe strongly that nationality is a fickle beast in this day and age and would rather maintain more liberal regulations and allow the odd joke case through than tighten things up and start barring people from representing a nationality they rightfully identify with. It's not like there's widespread abuse of the current regulations either. People act like there is, but there's not. Imo, I can think of only two three year residences and two dodgy grandparent calls in recent years - again I'm probably missing some, but considering how many international caps have been handed out, I don't think that's anything much to get worked out about imo. Oops, sorry, three, just seen Mike Harris. Still fine with it. [/QUOTE]
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