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<blockquote data-quote="mania" data-source="post: 883268" data-attributes="member: 75051"><p>Five Meters Out - yes that is what im saying in its most simplified form. i didnt say this was an argumnent i could win.</p><p></p><p>my counter argument however is that its been done by NZ with Sivivatu, Fekitoa, taweraKerrBarlow etc. NZ doesnt mind doing it to other players and nor do these unions own these players. these players that have been developed by the unions; it hasnt been for pure altruistic reasons and those players paid the unions back by winning games for them. </p><p></p><p>i'd also like to point out your line "natural god given talent". yes and this talent comes from their genetics and their upbringing, not the union. so the union develops their rugby skills, but everything else, their strength, speed, co-ordination, workEthic, intelligence and warrior spirit comes from their genetics and upbringing. all the unions did was teach them rugby. most wouldve had success in a myriad of other (less entertaining) sports, eg im a huge fan of gridiron and samoans have shown a lot of success in NFL.</p><p></p><p>but i fully get where your coming from. but at some stage when is the "development debt" end and the player is no longer in servitude/bondage to the union?</p><p></p><p>let me point out tho that piutau is a unique case, and his situation has turned up exactly once in the 40 years that ive watched rugby. no one has ever been in the situation he's in. but how about if he wasnt making millions? wouldnt that mitigate the argument and lean it more towards my stance?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mania, post: 883268, member: 75051"] Five Meters Out - yes that is what im saying in its most simplified form. i didnt say this was an argumnent i could win. my counter argument however is that its been done by NZ with Sivivatu, Fekitoa, taweraKerrBarlow etc. NZ doesnt mind doing it to other players and nor do these unions own these players. these players that have been developed by the unions; it hasnt been for pure altruistic reasons and those players paid the unions back by winning games for them. i'd also like to point out your line "natural god given talent". yes and this talent comes from their genetics and their upbringing, not the union. so the union develops their rugby skills, but everything else, their strength, speed, co-ordination, workEthic, intelligence and warrior spirit comes from their genetics and upbringing. all the unions did was teach them rugby. most wouldve had success in a myriad of other (less entertaining) sports, eg im a huge fan of gridiron and samoans have shown a lot of success in NFL. but i fully get where your coming from. but at some stage when is the "development debt" end and the player is no longer in servitude/bondage to the union? let me point out tho that piutau is a unique case, and his situation has turned up exactly once in the 40 years that ive watched rugby. no one has ever been in the situation he's in. but how about if he wasnt making millions? wouldnt that mitigate the argument and lean it more towards my stance? [/QUOTE]
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