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having our pacific players back would be awesome
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<blockquote data-quote="Leonormous Boozer" data-source="post: 994208" data-attributes="member: 45598"><p>The contrast between the first and second sentence is totally my point. You've got Dutch, Polish and Irish names representing England, and yeah there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, their families moved for better opportunities generations ago. But someone moving and dedicating at least a sixth of their life for a better opportunity or choosing their parent's/grandparent's countries of origin is diluting the game though? It's the same thing to me really except it's actually in the player's control.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, you lack the perspective here. Ask the NZ born Samoans or Tongans if they're not one bit Samoan/Tongan, or ask the numerous 2nd or even 3rd generation Irish living in England and supporting Ireland against them every time they play if they're not Irish and you probably won't get a simple yes or no answer once. Some people forget where their families are from, which is fine, some don't and the connection varies from person to person.</p><p></p><p>And you're probably thinking why not let anyone play for whoever they want but it's clearly not the case. 5+ years of your life when you're in your early thirties is far from insignificant and if you're qualifying through a grandparent it is in all likelihood someone you know/knew quite intimately. Without getting far too invasive into player's personal lives and upbringings I don't see how the current rules aren't adequate. And as for this proposed rule I think it improves the product that is international rugby and doesn't hurt any stakeholders at all. There's no perfect answer to this and people will take the **** but I think the balance with the current regs and this added is the best for allowing players earn a living and not destroying international rugby beyond recognition.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Leonormous Boozer, post: 994208, member: 45598"] The contrast between the first and second sentence is totally my point. You've got Dutch, Polish and Irish names representing England, and yeah there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, their families moved for better opportunities generations ago. But someone moving and dedicating at least a sixth of their life for a better opportunity or choosing their parent's/grandparent's countries of origin is diluting the game though? It's the same thing to me really except it's actually in the player's control. Again, you lack the perspective here. Ask the NZ born Samoans or Tongans if they're not one bit Samoan/Tongan, or ask the numerous 2nd or even 3rd generation Irish living in England and supporting Ireland against them every time they play if they're not Irish and you probably won't get a simple yes or no answer once. Some people forget where their families are from, which is fine, some don't and the connection varies from person to person. And you're probably thinking why not let anyone play for whoever they want but it's clearly not the case. 5+ years of your life when you're in your early thirties is far from insignificant and if you're qualifying through a grandparent it is in all likelihood someone you know/knew quite intimately. Without getting far too invasive into player's personal lives and upbringings I don't see how the current rules aren't adequate. And as for this proposed rule I think it improves the product that is international rugby and doesn't hurt any stakeholders at all. There's no perfect answer to this and people will take the **** but I think the balance with the current regs and this added is the best for allowing players earn a living and not destroying international rugby beyond recognition. [/QUOTE]
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