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<blockquote data-quote="smartcooky" data-source="post: 392974" data-attributes="member: 20605"><p>Various quotes</p><p></p><p></p><p>You'll never know, because you didn't get a chance to see them play a season at the top level.</p><p></p><p></p><p>How do you know that? Did you see any of the lower level players step up?</p><p></p><p></p><p>All of these tell me one important thing...you are looking at the "now", and not to the future. Imported players not only block the path of lower level players coming up, they also take a huge amount of resources (money) that could be be spent on developing local talent. Buying a top former international player from another country is a "quick fix" for the domestic team, but does nothing for your new young players. Ask the Aussies about the $millions they wasted buying former Rugby League stars for a "quick fix". Where are Matt Rogers, Wendell Sailor, Lote Tuquiri and Timana Tahu now?</p><p></p><p>Racing Metro look like they are offering ₣14½ million for Dan Carter. Thats £2m!! How many good #10's could be nurtured and developed with that kind of money? And they would ALL be eligible for France!! </p><p></p><p>Exactly the point, and just exactly why do you think we have that flow of talent? Its because of two things;</p><p></p><p><strong>1. Player development.</strong> We have a great academy system, one of the best being Murray Mexted's IRANZ. They have and some of the best rugby minds on the planet as coaches. </p><p></p><p><strong>2. Doors open for our new talent when old talent leaves or retires.</strong> We don't fill those spots with imported players. When players like Matt Todd, Colin Slade, Sam Whitelock and the Franks Brothers suddenly appear on the scene, it takes the average NH fan and their media scribes by surprise. No surprise to us though; we have seen them come through at the lower levels, and their path to the top hasn't been blocked by foreign imports.</p><p></p><p>Read what English rugby commentator Nigel Starmer-Smith has to say about the last Junior Rugby Workd Cup</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.irb.com/newsmedia/news/newsid=2039367.html" target="_blank">http://www.irb.com/newsmedia/news/newsid=2039367.html</a></p><p></p><p>He makes a lot of important points, but he misses out the MOST important one of all. </p><p></p><p>The NZ Under 20 players were playing tough, week in week out rugby at the top level for their Provincial sides in the NPC. On the other hand, the none of the England side at the last JRWC could even hold down places in their Premiership or Championship (ND1) sides, a point that was not lost on the English commentators in the final in 2009. </p><p></p><p>Many of the NZ players at the last few JRWCs have come through into the top level; Israel Dagg, Sam Whitelock, Aaron Cruden, Daniel Kirkpatrick, Zac Guildford, Sean Maitland, Andre Taylor, Peter Saili, Julian Savea, Ben Afeaki, Quentin MacDonald, Nasi Manu, Kurt Baker, Ryan Crotty, Trent Renata, Mike Harris, Luke Braid, Kade Poki and more. All of these players have come through to Super Rugby, and some to test rugby.</p><p></p><p>How many Ireland Under 20 players are now starting in the Magners League or other European top level teams? Luke Marshall, Patrick Jackson and Craig Gilroy all of Ulster and Mark Dolan and Tiernan O'Halloran of Connacht are the only ones I can think of.</p><p></p><p> In France there are over 250 foreign players playing in the Top 14 and Pro D2. The are over 80 Kiwis playing in Europe, many of them like Carl Hayman & Nick Evans are holding down key positions. I don't know how many Yaapies and Aussies there are, but I would expect their numbers to be about the same or even greater. No matter how you slice it, this state of affairs cannot be good for the International game in those countries.</p><p></p><p>Finally here's a tip; a prediction if you like, and an example of what Tony Johnson is talking about.</p><p></p><p>Write this name down ... <em>Luke Romano</em>. </p><p></p><p>His door will open next year when Brad Thorn goes to Japan for his retirement package, in exactly the same way that it did for Jerome Kaino and Adam Thomson in 2008 when Ruben Thorne and Jerry Collins left NZ the year before.</p><p></p><p>Most of you NH posters have probably never heard of Luke Romano... but you will, and soon. You can take it to the bank!!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="smartcooky, post: 392974, member: 20605"] Various quotes You'll never know, because you didn't get a chance to see them play a season at the top level. How do you know that? Did you see any of the lower level players step up? All of these tell me one important thing...you are looking at the "now", and not to the future. Imported players not only block the path of lower level players coming up, they also take a huge amount of resources (money) that could be be spent on developing local talent. Buying a top former international player from another country is a "quick fix" for the domestic team, but does nothing for your new young players. Ask the Aussies about the $millions they wasted buying former Rugby League stars for a "quick fix". Where are Matt Rogers, Wendell Sailor, Lote Tuquiri and Timana Tahu now? Racing Metro look like they are offering ₣14½ million for Dan Carter. Thats £2m!! How many good #10's could be nurtured and developed with that kind of money? And they would ALL be eligible for France!! Exactly the point, and just exactly why do you think we have that flow of talent? Its because of two things; [B]1. Player development.[/B] We have a great academy system, one of the best being Murray Mexted's IRANZ. They have and some of the best rugby minds on the planet as coaches. [B]2. Doors open for our new talent when old talent leaves or retires.[/B] We don't fill those spots with imported players. When players like Matt Todd, Colin Slade, Sam Whitelock and the Franks Brothers suddenly appear on the scene, it takes the average NH fan and their media scribes by surprise. No surprise to us though; we have seen them come through at the lower levels, and their path to the top hasn't been blocked by foreign imports. Read what English rugby commentator Nigel Starmer-Smith has to say about the last Junior Rugby Workd Cup [URL]http://www.irb.com/newsmedia/news/newsid=2039367.html[/URL] He makes a lot of important points, but he misses out the MOST important one of all. The NZ Under 20 players were playing tough, week in week out rugby at the top level for their Provincial sides in the NPC. On the other hand, the none of the England side at the last JRWC could even hold down places in their Premiership or Championship (ND1) sides, a point that was not lost on the English commentators in the final in 2009. Many of the NZ players at the last few JRWCs have come through into the top level; Israel Dagg, Sam Whitelock, Aaron Cruden, Daniel Kirkpatrick, Zac Guildford, Sean Maitland, Andre Taylor, Peter Saili, Julian Savea, Ben Afeaki, Quentin MacDonald, Nasi Manu, Kurt Baker, Ryan Crotty, Trent Renata, Mike Harris, Luke Braid, Kade Poki and more. All of these players have come through to Super Rugby, and some to test rugby. How many Ireland Under 20 players are now starting in the Magners League or other European top level teams? Luke Marshall, Patrick Jackson and Craig Gilroy all of Ulster and Mark Dolan and Tiernan O'Halloran of Connacht are the only ones I can think of. In France there are over 250 foreign players playing in the Top 14 and Pro D2. The are over 80 Kiwis playing in Europe, many of them like Carl Hayman & Nick Evans are holding down key positions. I don't know how many Yaapies and Aussies there are, but I would expect their numbers to be about the same or even greater. No matter how you slice it, this state of affairs cannot be good for the International game in those countries. Finally here's a tip; a prediction if you like, and an example of what Tony Johnson is talking about. Write this name down ... [I]Luke Romano[/I]. His door will open next year when Brad Thorn goes to Japan for his retirement package, in exactly the same way that it did for Jerome Kaino and Adam Thomson in 2008 when Ruben Thorne and Jerry Collins left NZ the year before. Most of you NH posters have probably never heard of Luke Romano... but you will, and soon. You can take it to the bank!! [/QUOTE]
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