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<blockquote data-quote="Leonormous Boozer" data-source="post: 940793" data-attributes="member: 45598"><p>I agree with both of these, I don't think anyone could present a reasonable argument that it'd be disproportionate to terminate his employment after this. Freedom of speech is a human right but if you use it to destroy the relationship you have with your employer, in this case by alienating clients and colleagues, you'll get sacked and have no one but yourself to blame. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is an interesting thing to point out, right now you're bang on the money and an easy example to make right now of that second point is how millions of golf fans will want Tiger Woods to win this week despite his immoral actions destroying the family lives of his ex-wife and children, I'm one who'd definitely enjoy it too. </p><p></p><p>The issue with this though is that most religions are massively discriminatory against either homosexuals or women and laws around the world reflect or accommodate this to various degrees, herein lies the problem. Had Folau included "blacks", "Indians", "aboriginals" etc... In that list he could be prosecuted whether it's laws against hate speech or racism or something similar and no one would bat an eye. There's a massive problem here because we're letting ancient texts and political views held 2000 years ago shape our laws today, it's madness when put like that but until religion dies out or becomes wholly negative (it's wrong to deny that it has hugely positive aspects too) legally we're probably stuck there. </p><p></p><p>As a society we can beat it by treating homophobia or misogyny as strictly as we do racism, either our governing bodies or religious denominations will follow suit and force the other to do the same. It's why Folau's employer (I think it's the ARU contrary to Cruz' post but that could be wrong) have to bin him in my opinion, whether or not it's legal should not make shielding your disgusting views behind a religious veil acceptable in society. </p><p></p><p>This is coming from a person who still sporadically practices his Catholic faith (pure agnostic on the side of atheism though) and fully did so throughout my childhood, I know my religion preaches similar views but I disagree with them and many of its others, if God exists and won't let me into heaven because I was sound to LGBTQ and boned hot chicks consensually before marriage that's fine, it'd probably be ****!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Leonormous Boozer, post: 940793, member: 45598"] I agree with both of these, I don't think anyone could present a reasonable argument that it'd be disproportionate to terminate his employment after this. Freedom of speech is a human right but if you use it to destroy the relationship you have with your employer, in this case by alienating clients and colleagues, you'll get sacked and have no one but yourself to blame. This is an interesting thing to point out, right now you're bang on the money and an easy example to make right now of that second point is how millions of golf fans will want Tiger Woods to win this week despite his immoral actions destroying the family lives of his ex-wife and children, I'm one who'd definitely enjoy it too. The issue with this though is that most religions are massively discriminatory against either homosexuals or women and laws around the world reflect or accommodate this to various degrees, herein lies the problem. Had Folau included "blacks", "Indians", "aboriginals" etc... In that list he could be prosecuted whether it's laws against hate speech or racism or something similar and no one would bat an eye. There's a massive problem here because we're letting ancient texts and political views held 2000 years ago shape our laws today, it's madness when put like that but until religion dies out or becomes wholly negative (it's wrong to deny that it has hugely positive aspects too) legally we're probably stuck there. As a society we can beat it by treating homophobia or misogyny as strictly as we do racism, either our governing bodies or religious denominations will follow suit and force the other to do the same. It's why Folau's employer (I think it's the ARU contrary to Cruz' post but that could be wrong) have to bin him in my opinion, whether or not it's legal should not make shielding your disgusting views behind a religious veil acceptable in society. This is coming from a person who still sporadically practices his Catholic faith (pure agnostic on the side of atheism though) and fully did so throughout my childhood, I know my religion preaches similar views but I disagree with them and many of its others, if God exists and won't let me into heaven because I was sound to LGBTQ and boned hot chicks consensually before marriage that's fine, it'd probably be ****! [/QUOTE]
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