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[June Tests 2018: 2nd Test] South Africa vs. England (16/06/2018)
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<blockquote data-quote="spartan32" data-source="post: 907054" data-attributes="member: 72322"><p>The Ford debates and interesting one. Yes he does bleed meters on defence, and yes his tackling technique leaves a lot to be desired, but given his size I'm not sure what else he can do against some of the giants that come</p><p>Rumbling down his channel. If he goes low he'll probably just get bounced off. At least he hangs on in there.</p><p></p><p>The question I suppose is whether his attacking contribution outweighs his defensive issues. And in any event is there another 10 that could do any better in defence? The only one I can think of is Faz and I don't think he offers as much in attack. Cips is better with ball in hand but the working relationship between Ford and the other more established England backs i would suggest is pretty invaluable. That being said I would really like to see Cips get another decent run out at 10 for England, but I can't see it happening unless injuries take hold. </p><p></p><p>So bottom line seems to be, yes he struggles in defence somewhat mostly due to his size, but what he offers in attack and understanding of other England players makes up for it and they're aren't any viable replacements. So Ford it is and I think we probably all just need to accept it and move on. </p><p></p><p>In any event I tend to agree that the reason for the loss had little to do with Ford (although he needs to work on his game management) and as already stated many times a ludicrous penalty count and lack of commitment from the forwards at the breakdown and contact area generally played a big part. The problem I foresee is in trying to get the pack more stuck in at the breakdown we will end up giving away even more penalties, or we try to address the penalties but then become even more useless at the breakdown. Itoje is a good example of this. I have heard it suggested that the reason his ability to cause chaos at the breakdown suddeny diminished was due to him being told to watch his penalty count, which then caused him to start 2nd guessing himself and leading to him becoming much less effective. </p><p></p><p>We also need to muzzle Faf de Klerk. That little bugger's tail is going to be right up after the last game and that will only encourage him</p><p>To play even more tenaciously. He needs to get a good smashing early on, and whatever back row we put out need to keep him contained. Pretty sure that means Robshaw should sit this one out, but again I think that's unlikely. </p><p></p><p>I think Brown is probably a cert for Saturday given his performance, which isn't the end of the world but when you look at some</p><p>Of the attacking options we have available it's a shame. Will Solomona get a decent run out? Again I think unlikely. I do wonder why we bring people like Solomona and Cips if they aren't going to get a chance to make any kind of impact. I suppose someone has to hold the tackle bags. </p><p></p><p>England have the talent available and have proved that they can score plenty of points against the Boks. So if we can tighten up our defence and decision making then there's no reason why we can't win, but for some reason I can't see it. I reckon the Boks will take this one, and if they can play at the same tempo we could be in real trouble.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="spartan32, post: 907054, member: 72322"] The Ford debates and interesting one. Yes he does bleed meters on defence, and yes his tackling technique leaves a lot to be desired, but given his size I’m not sure what else he can do against some of the giants that come Rumbling down his channel. If he goes low he’ll probably just get bounced off. At least he hangs on in there. The question I suppose is whether his attacking contribution outweighs his defensive issues. And in any event is there another 10 that could do any better in defence? The only one I can think of is Faz and I don’t think he offers as much in attack. Cips is better with ball in hand but the working relationship between Ford and the other more established England backs i would suggest is pretty invaluable. That being said I would really like to see Cips get another decent run out at 10 for England, but I can’t see it happening unless injuries take hold. So bottom line seems to be, yes he struggles in defence somewhat mostly due to his size, but what he offers in attack and understanding of other England players makes up for it and they’re aren’t any viable replacements. So Ford it is and I think we probably all just need to accept it and move on. In any event I tend to agree that the reason for the loss had little to do with Ford (although he needs to work on his game management) and as already stated many times a ludicrous penalty count and lack of commitment from the forwards at the breakdown and contact area generally played a big part. The problem I foresee is in trying to get the pack more stuck in at the breakdown we will end up giving away even more penalties, or we try to address the penalties but then become even more useless at the breakdown. Itoje is a good example of this. I have heard it suggested that the reason his ability to cause chaos at the breakdown suddeny diminished was due to him being told to watch his penalty count, which then caused him to start 2nd guessing himself and leading to him becoming much less effective. We also need to muzzle Faf de Klerk. That little bugger’s tail is going to be right up after the last game and that will only encourage him To play even more tenaciously. He needs to get a good smashing early on, and whatever back row we put out need to keep him contained. Pretty sure that means Robshaw should sit this one out, but again I think that’s unlikely. I think Brown is probably a cert for Saturday given his performance, which isn’t the end of the world but when you look at some Of the attacking options we have available it’s a shame. Will Solomona get a decent run out? Again I think unlikely. I do wonder why we bring people like Solomona and Cips if they aren’t going to get a chance to make any kind of impact. I suppose someone has to hold the tackle bags. England have the talent available and have proved that they can score plenty of points against the Boks. So if we can tighten up our defence and decision making then there’s no reason why we can’t win, but for some reason I can’t see it. I reckon the Boks will take this one, and if they can play at the same tempo we could be in real trouble. [/QUOTE]
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