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[June Tests 2018: 2nd Test] South Africa vs. England (16/06/2018)
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<blockquote data-quote="Yoshimitsu" data-source="post: 908486" data-attributes="member: 71899"><p>I got totally smashed last night (not big or clever) and watched the game as live when I rolled in at about 1am. Luckily I forgot most of it so I just put myself through it again...... with a hangover......... the horror.</p><p></p><p>Firstly, well done South Africa. General level of performance was excellent with some even better individual performances. Vermualen a well-deserved man of the match.</p><p></p><p>Now England. ******* hell! That was ******* shite! Every time I looked for crumbs of comfort hopes were dashed as someone did something shockingly bad.</p><p></p><p>In the unforgivable category we have the actions of Mako Vuniploa, Nathan Hughes and Ben Youngs (I have a very small amount of sympathy for him). I'm not sure how coaches address that level of idiocy? As other have stated just shouting at them to stop being ***** isn't going to work. I'm not convinced that Eddie wants to man manage this group but that's what is needed.</p><p></p><p>In the just not good enough category we have pretty much the entirety of the rest of the team. Poor execution, poor decision making, poor attitude just generally poor. Annoyingly through all of the rubbish you can see glimpses of the gleaming machine that England could be. However, in order for that machine to run it needs to be hitting about 85% efficiency. It's nowhere near that. Not at all. The issue for Eddie is that it's not one problem in one area, it's lots in many. Scrum has been minced twice in two weeks, Maul defence isn't working (and we can't use ours effectively). Carrying is generally not dynamic enough and Nathan Hughes and his stand still handing people off routine doesn't get the job done. It's going to be worse without Billy Vunipola who it appears is unfortunately injury prone. I feared for him when I saw his reaction to the tackle he missed and it appears he has broken his arm.</p><p></p><p>Owen Farrell had a very poor game indeed. His captaincy style is unlikely to do anything other than antagonise referees. Experience would lead me to believe that in a game where the officials can make the difference this isn't a good idea. If he's been less busy being tough and shoving people about he might have noticed the Beast picking the ball up and running off with it………….</p><p></p><p>George Ford apart from making a game endingly bad decision went O.K. for the most part. Yet England definitely looked a different animal with Danny Cipriani on the pitch. I'd start Danny next week. What's to lose (apart from another game………….)?</p><p></p><p>I thought Curry and Shields looked like a balanced flank unit. The latter was a bit unlucky with the try that wasn't but both players made telling turnovers in critical situations. However, the entirety of the England pack with the potential exception of Billy V were out muscled.</p><p></p><p>Mike Brown I genuinely can't work out how to rate that performance. He did some quite awesome things in defence and was in place for his try. But being unable to gather the high-ball is kind of important.</p><p></p><p>The rest, meh at best. I was hoping George would slay the lurking ghost of Hartley and he's singularly failed to do that. Sinckler doesn't lack commitment but doesn't fill me full of confidence. Launchbury is our solid lock and went O.K. but for whatever reason Lauchtoje seems to be less than the sum of it's parts. Maro was at least less Haskelly this week. Youngs needs to be reminded what professionalism means. Elliot Daly and May look a threat every time they get the ball. So instead of getting it to them we will persist with contestable high balls. Henry Slade. Hmm having watched the game again I barely noticed him, that's probably not a good thing. Who have I missed? The subs bar Cipriani didn't really have a chance to influence as the rot had well and truly set in</p><p></p><p>The darkest hour comes before dawn. I'm hoping to God this is it but I'm not convinced it is. The only thing that could make this worse would be hearing that Eddie has been on the phone to Sam Burgess................</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Yoshimitsu, post: 908486, member: 71899"] I got totally smashed last night (not big or clever) and watched the game as live when I rolled in at about 1am. Luckily I forgot most of it so I just put myself through it again...... with a hangover......... the horror. Firstly, well done South Africa. General level of performance was excellent with some even better individual performances. Vermualen a well-deserved man of the match. Now England. ******* hell! That was ******* shite! Every time I looked for crumbs of comfort hopes were dashed as someone did something shockingly bad. In the unforgivable category we have the actions of Mako Vuniploa, Nathan Hughes and Ben Youngs (I have a very small amount of sympathy for him). I'm not sure how coaches address that level of idiocy? As other have stated just shouting at them to stop being ***** isn’t going to work. I’m not convinced that Eddie wants to man manage this group but that’s what is needed. In the just not good enough category we have pretty much the entirety of the rest of the team. Poor execution, poor decision making, poor attitude just generally poor. Annoyingly through all of the rubbish you can see glimpses of the gleaming machine that England could be. However, in order for that machine to run it needs to be hitting about 85% efficiency. It's nowhere near that. Not at all. The issue for Eddie is that it’s not one problem in one area, it’s lots in many. Scrum has been minced twice in two weeks, Maul defence isn’t working (and we can’t use ours effectively). Carrying is generally not dynamic enough and Nathan Hughes and his stand still handing people off routine doesn’t get the job done. It’s going to be worse without Billy Vunipola who it appears is unfortunately injury prone. I feared for him when I saw his reaction to the tackle he missed and it appears he has broken his arm. Owen Farrell had a very poor game indeed. His captaincy style is unlikely to do anything other than antagonise referees. Experience would lead me to believe that in a game where the officials can make the difference this isn’t a good idea. If he’s been less busy being tough and shoving people about he might have noticed the Beast picking the ball up and running off with it…………. George Ford apart from making a game endingly bad decision went O.K. for the most part. Yet England definitely looked a different animal with Danny Cipriani on the pitch. I’d start Danny next week. What’s to lose (apart from another game………….)? I thought Curry and Shields looked like a balanced flank unit. The latter was a bit unlucky with the try that wasn’t but both players made telling turnovers in critical situations. However, the entirety of the England pack with the potential exception of Billy V were out muscled. Mike Brown I genuinely can’t work out how to rate that performance. He did some quite awesome things in defence and was in place for his try. But being unable to gather the high-ball is kind of important. The rest, meh at best. I was hoping George would slay the lurking ghost of Hartley and he’s singularly failed to do that. Sinckler doesn’t lack commitment but doesn’t fill me full of confidence. Launchbury is our solid lock and went O.K. but for whatever reason Lauchtoje seems to be less than the sum of it’s parts. Maro was at least less Haskelly this week. Youngs needs to be reminded what professionalism means. Elliot Daly and May look a threat every time they get the ball. So instead of getting it to them we will persist with contestable high balls. Henry Slade. Hmm having watched the game again I barely noticed him, that’s probably not a good thing. Who have I missed? The subs bar Cipriani didn’t really have a chance to influence as the rot had well and truly set in The darkest hour comes before dawn. I'm hoping to God this is it but I'm not convinced it is. The only thing that could make this worse would be hearing that Eddie has been on the phone to Sam Burgess................ [/QUOTE]
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