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<blockquote data-quote="Feicarsinn" data-source="post: 586762" data-attributes="member: 22777"><p>Okay, first cut it with the pictures. It doesn't help validate your point and is a serious pain in the neck for anyone reading. </p><p></p><p>Onto the argument. Your first sentence entirely defeats your point.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>At that point of their development these things will be supplied by those training them. Are you saying that professional black players aren't able to afford protein, etc? Ridiculous. as for those aspiring to play professionally, by the time it comes to the stage where they need to be taking anything in order to increase size (we're talking about 16 or 17 realistically) they'll be in a system which will provide for them, be it a school, an academy system, or whatever. They'll have gotten to that place through talent, which doesn't require you to be hitting the gym every day. You mention the Junior World Cup, well just look at the South African squad from that tournament:</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #545454"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>Fullbacks:</strong> Cheslin Kolbe, Tim Swiel (DHL Western Province)</span></span><span style="color: #545454"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>Wings:</strong> Seabelo Senatla (Toyota Free State Cheetahs), Luther Obi, Sylvian Mahuza (Leopards)</span></span><span style="color: #545454"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>Centres:</strong> Jan Serfontein, Dries Swanepoel (Vodacom Blue Bulls), Justin Gedult, JP Lewis (DHL Western Province), Tyler Fisher (KZN)</span></span><span style="color: #545454"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>Flyhalves:</strong> Handrè Pollard (Vodacom Blue Bulls), Robert du Preez (KZN)</span></span><span style="color: #545454"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>Scrumhalves:</strong> Kirshwin Williams (MTN Golden Lions), Hanco Venter, Stefan Ungerer (KZN)</span></span><span style="color: #545454"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>Loose Forwards:</strong> Leneve Dames, Roelof Smit, Ruan Steenkamp (all Vodacom Blue Bulls), Albertus Smit (MTN Golden Lions), Jurie van Vuuren (DHL Western Province)</span></span><span style="color: #545454"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>Locks:</strong> Dennis Visser, Irnè Herbst, Jacques du Plessis, Marvin Orie (all Vodacom Blue Bulls)</span></span><span style="color: #545454"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>Props:</strong> Justin Forwood, Andrew Beerwinkel, Neethling Fouchè (all Vodacom Blue Bulls), Luan de Bruin (Toyota Free State Cheetahs), Marnè Coetzee (KZN), Sti Sithole (DHL Western Province)</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>Hookers:</strong><span style="color: #545454"> Jacques du Toit (Toyota Free State Cheetahs), Devon Martinus (MTN Golden Lions), Mornè du Plessis (KZN), Freddie Kirsten (DHL Western Province)</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #545454"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000">So obviously all of these players are with pro outfits. It's not like they have to be paying for their own stuff so wealth isn't an issue at that point. You use Julian Savea as an example, but I guarantee that he's been a member of a pretty pro set up for a very long time before he donned a baby black jersey. Also, you overstate the importance of physicality, particularly at younger ages. To quote Lions outhalf Johnny Sexton, speaking oh his teenage years:</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">From that it's clear that you can go on to become a top player without having to be in the gym at the age of 15.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">To be honest I think the fact that you come from a country with no professional rugby (I believe) means you don't really understand how the underage systems work in such a country. While in tier two nations players may have to take their development much more into their own hands, in places like South Africa talent is identified early and given the support it needs to maximize potential (be it financial, coaching, etc.) With that in mind you can't use the argument that black people in South Africa cannot afford to become rugby players.</span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'arial'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Feicarsinn, post: 586762, member: 22777"] Okay, first cut it with the pictures. It doesn't help validate your point and is a serious pain in the neck for anyone reading. Onto the argument. Your first sentence entirely defeats your point. At that point of their development these things will be supplied by those training them. Are you saying that professional black players aren't able to afford protein, etc? Ridiculous. as for those aspiring to play professionally, by the time it comes to the stage where they need to be taking anything in order to increase size (we're talking about 16 or 17 realistically) they'll be in a system which will provide for them, be it a school, an academy system, or whatever. They'll have gotten to that place through talent, which doesn't require you to be hitting the gym every day. You mention the Junior World Cup, well just look at the South African squad from that tournament: [COLOR=#545454][FONT=Arial][B]Fullbacks:[/B] Cheslin Kolbe, Tim Swiel (DHL Western Province)[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#545454][FONT=Arial][B]Wings:[/B] Seabelo Senatla (Toyota Free State Cheetahs), Luther Obi, Sylvian Mahuza (Leopards)[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#545454][FONT=Arial][B]Centres:[/B] Jan Serfontein, Dries Swanepoel (Vodacom Blue Bulls), Justin Gedult, JP Lewis (DHL Western Province), Tyler Fisher (KZN)[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#545454][FONT=Arial][B]Flyhalves:[/B] Handrè Pollard (Vodacom Blue Bulls), Robert du Preez (KZN)[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#545454][FONT=Arial][B]Scrumhalves:[/B] Kirshwin Williams (MTN Golden Lions), Hanco Venter, Stefan Ungerer (KZN)[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#545454][FONT=Arial][B]Loose Forwards:[/B] Leneve Dames, Roelof Smit, Ruan Steenkamp (all Vodacom Blue Bulls), Albertus Smit (MTN Golden Lions), Jurie van Vuuren (DHL Western Province)[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#545454][FONT=Arial][B]Locks:[/B] Dennis Visser, Irnè Herbst, Jacques du Plessis, Marvin Orie (all Vodacom Blue Bulls)[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#545454][FONT=Arial][B]Props:[/B] Justin Forwood, Andrew Beerwinkel, Neethling Fouchè (all Vodacom Blue Bulls), Luan de Bruin (Toyota Free State Cheetahs), Marnè Coetzee (KZN), Sti Sithole (DHL Western Province)[/FONT][/COLOR][FONT=Arial][B]Hookers:[/B][COLOR=#545454] Jacques du Toit (Toyota Free State Cheetahs), Devon Martinus (MTN Golden Lions), Mornè du Plessis (KZN), Freddie Kirsten (DHL Western Province) [/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]So obviously all of these players are with pro outfits. It's not like they have to be paying for their own stuff so wealth isn't an issue at that point. You use Julian Savea as an example, but I guarantee that he's been a member of a pretty pro set up for a very long time before he donned a baby black jersey. Also, you overstate the importance of physicality, particularly at younger ages. To quote Lions outhalf Johnny Sexton, speaking oh his teenage years: [/COLOR][/FONT][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Trebuchet MS] [FONT=arial]From that it's clear that you can go on to become a top player without having to be in the gym at the age of 15. To be honest I think the fact that you come from a country with no professional rugby (I believe) means you don't really understand how the underage systems work in such a country. While in tier two nations players may have to take their development much more into their own hands, in places like South Africa talent is identified early and given the support it needs to maximize potential (be it financial, coaching, etc.) With that in mind you can't use the argument that black people in South Africa cannot afford to become rugby players.[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][FONT=arial] [/FONT][FONT=Arial][COLOR=#000000][FONT=arial] [/FONT] [/COLOR] [/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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