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<blockquote data-quote="Prestwick" data-source="post: 146479"><p>That question was bought foward to you son <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /> [/b]</p></blockquote><p></p><p>No, he asked <em>you</em> that question. Please answer it, and no going off topic or attempting to start another pointless argument that goes in circles please.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yup, which is why All Blacks matches are so lucrative for the Northern Hemisphere Unions. Its not "speculation", its what goes on day in day out up here in the NH, namely, how can we get as many big names here for the Autumn as possible as to extract the most dosh from the wallets of our punters and give as little to the visitors as possible?" It isn't pretty and its damn right shameful in how we do it but thats what happens. New Zealand simply used our greed as leverage for votes. Simple as that.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Nice facts. Pity they're flawed. Yes, the All Blacks sold them in Japan but the distribution of tickets and where you could buy them from was up to the Japanese RFU. In Japan, the places to buy tickets for games are rarely advertised on national television and are even rarer to find. I challenge you to find a ticket next time for some of those Pacific 6 Nations games and I'm sure you'll find it bloody hard. Most of that crowd were probably people who could get the tickets through their company clubs.</p><p></p><p>The World Cup is a completely different kettle of fish. As its a huge, once in four years event on which national pride rests on the brilliant success of, the Japanese would try their utmost to advertise, market and make sure that everyone can get their tickets from all the main ticket outlets. The Japanese are really enthusiastic about any new sport to be honest and dive ball didn't really take off until 2002. You simply cannot compare the two.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What a load of crap! A loss is still a loss! And this is still taking into account that running costs, building costs, etc could shoot up as the four years progress. It is still very poor planning not to realise that you'll have to get a $NZ30 Million bailout from the government just to cover the books in the initital stages. What if there are delays to Eden Park or any other part of the preparations and the running costs shoot up from $NZ310 Million (which, they probabbly will)? </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, thats a silly point because apart from Murrayfield and the Millenium Stadium (both only being used because France bribed Scotland and Wales with matches in exchange for votes), all of the venues in this years Rugby World Cup have been absolute sellouts. Even in the group games between nations like Tonga and Fiji the games or Italy and Georgia, the games have been absolutely jam packed. Italy vs Portugal alone got an audience 47,000 people. Game attendences in the group stages have skyrocketed for this world cup when compared to four years ago.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Oooookay, right, lets try and address this one at a time:</p><p></p><p>1. We're lambasting New Zealand <em>because</em> they won it in the same dirty way that everyone else uses which in turn has infuriated me so much. I have no beef with New Zealand, I just completely disagree that the best bid won. To actually develop a game in a country, you've got to actually hold a World Cup there, not mess them around with patronising words before keeping the golden cup to yourself and your buddies. We're all to blame for this, not just New Zealand.</p><p>2. Hosting World Cups has nothing to do with the performance of the teams on the pitch.</p><p>3. The Head of State of New Zealand is Queen Elizabeth II, also the head of state of the United Kingdom, which uses nuclear power I believe. Actually, if the Queen does agree to preside over a nation which cuts its emissions by using nuclear power and a nation which doesn't then that <em>is</em> pretty open minded. I apologise. :lol: (you know, she's also Head of State of a country which does illeigal logging and seal cub clubbling in the Arctic! Yow!)</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="Prestwick, post: 146479"] That question was bought foward to you son :D [/b][/quote] No, he asked [i]you[/i] that question. Please answer it, and no going off topic or attempting to start another pointless argument that goes in circles please. Yup, which is why All Blacks matches are so lucrative for the Northern Hemisphere Unions. Its not "speculation", its what goes on day in day out up here in the NH, namely, how can we get as many big names here for the Autumn as possible as to extract the most dosh from the wallets of our punters and give as little to the visitors as possible?" It isn't pretty and its damn right shameful in how we do it but thats what happens. New Zealand simply used our greed as leverage for votes. Simple as that. Nice facts. Pity they're flawed. Yes, the All Blacks sold them in Japan but the distribution of tickets and where you could buy them from was up to the Japanese RFU. In Japan, the places to buy tickets for games are rarely advertised on national television and are even rarer to find. I challenge you to find a ticket next time for some of those Pacific 6 Nations games and I'm sure you'll find it bloody hard. Most of that crowd were probably people who could get the tickets through their company clubs. The World Cup is a completely different kettle of fish. As its a huge, once in four years event on which national pride rests on the brilliant success of, the Japanese would try their utmost to advertise, market and make sure that everyone can get their tickets from all the main ticket outlets. The Japanese are really enthusiastic about any new sport to be honest and dive ball didn't really take off until 2002. You simply cannot compare the two. What a load of crap! A loss is still a loss! And this is still taking into account that running costs, building costs, etc could shoot up as the four years progress. It is still very poor planning not to realise that you'll have to get a $NZ30 Million bailout from the government just to cover the books in the initital stages. What if there are delays to Eden Park or any other part of the preparations and the running costs shoot up from $NZ310 Million (which, they probabbly will)? Again, thats a silly point because apart from Murrayfield and the Millenium Stadium (both only being used because France bribed Scotland and Wales with matches in exchange for votes), all of the venues in this years Rugby World Cup have been absolute sellouts. Even in the group games between nations like Tonga and Fiji the games or Italy and Georgia, the games have been absolutely jam packed. Italy vs Portugal alone got an audience 47,000 people. Game attendences in the group stages have skyrocketed for this world cup when compared to four years ago. Oooookay, right, lets try and address this one at a time: 1. We're lambasting New Zealand [i]because[/i] they won it in the same dirty way that everyone else uses which in turn has infuriated me so much. I have no beef with New Zealand, I just completely disagree that the best bid won. To actually develop a game in a country, you've got to actually hold a World Cup there, not mess them around with patronising words before keeping the golden cup to yourself and your buddies. We're all to blame for this, not just New Zealand. 2. Hosting World Cups has nothing to do with the performance of the teams on the pitch. 3. The Head of State of New Zealand is Queen Elizabeth II, also the head of state of the United Kingdom, which uses nuclear power I believe. Actually, if the Queen does agree to preside over a nation which cuts its emissions by using nuclear power and a nation which doesn't then that [i]is[/i] pretty open minded. I apologise. :lol: (you know, she's also Head of State of a country which does illeigal logging and seal cub clubbling in the Arctic! Yow!) [/QUOTE]
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