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<blockquote data-quote="Prestwick" data-source="post: 146654"><p>I'm sorry I-B-B, I shouldn't have put the *insert drunken ramble here*, if it wasn't 7:30am with no morning coffee it would have been much more different <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite3" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":(" /></p><p></p><p>Anyway...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Of course I do, I also expect that because of the 2012 Olympics you'll have a fraction of the North American and European fans travelling to New Zealand who would have gone to a World Cup, I also expect allot of fans to be put off by the price and time it'll take to fly out there.</p><p></p><p>The statistics you're putting out are out of date because the World Cup has moved on, it has grown considerably and this is reflected in how the World Cup in France has been phenominally successful so far. For Rugby to grow, the World Cup needs to grow and put more money back into developing the game.</p><p></p><p>Regarding the comments you added to your earlier post, the NZ government copping some expenses for the world cup isn't any different to Australia of France.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Does the humble state of Queensland hope to host a Rugby World Cup final in 2015?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Adding some temporary seating and an east stand to Eden Park and pushing the other stadia to barely fit the requirements does not count as "giving something back". If you are barely struggling to meet the requirements then something is seriously wrong in the planning department.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I have an issue with the entire process. I have an issue with horse trading to get the votes to win when there are quite blatantly far better bids out there. I especially have an issue with England wanting to host the World Cup in 2015 when the Cup should go to a nation not in the top ten who have the means to host it and not barely scrape by.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Excellent generalisation there! I'm sorry but the facts on the ground in Japan simply doesn't support that statement. Right now Rugby does come a distant third behind Baseball and the J-League but thanks to the financial security that the Japanese system and its Corporate Teams guarantees as well as a gradual increase in exposure you are seeing a vast increase in crowd attendances at Top League games than you saw in its predecessor in 1999. Of course you can't change things overnight but something that can benefit Rugby in Japan is holding a huge showpeice competition in the country.</p><p></p><p>One thing you underestimate about Japan and thats their ability to rally around a show peice event. Before the Football World Cup, you could hardly say that Japan were a fanatical Soccer nation and previous attempts at starting leagues had failed miserably. But come the actual competition and tickets did sell and most games were packed out. You really need to market it and make it appeal to the Japanese psyche and Rugby is starting to grow on the Japanese. Your assumption that people in Japan just don't care about Rugby just does not ring true.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Actually around the time of the Football World Cup, it was surprisingly cheap to get to. You can get return tickets for around £450 and another £210 guarantees you free high speed travel around the country plus further discounts for accommodation and other things. At the end of the day, its still cheaper than flying to New Zealand.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You know what really annoys me? The fact that the best bid did not win and it lost due to backroom politics and sheer selfishness of the top ten Rugby nations. That is what really annoys me.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Then again, you do have the RFU's Francais Baron saying that "we don't bully anyone" before setting loose the legal dogs of war upon the Clubs of England. I'll tell you what, if you believe what your Union supremo says all the time and I'll keep on reading the newspapers.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, I could say that it depends on who can offer the most money in order to garner support and votes, but that apparently is not what goes on AT ALL (damn my cynical self) so I'll just go for the politically correct answer and say that it depends on who can hold the best, trouble free and enjoyable Rugby Tournament.</p><p></p><p>On that basis, Japan blatantly had the better bid. It had a complete infrastructure of stadia, transport and accomodation in order to host the World Cup. It had it by a country mile.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ooooh, so now you're trying to say that New Zealand only won the rights to host it on a mere legal technicality and not on any other basis then?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><img src="http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/1/13/NAY_THEE.JPG" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Prestwick, post: 146654"] I'm sorry I-B-B, I shouldn't have put the *insert drunken ramble here*, if it wasn't 7:30am with no morning coffee it would have been much more different :( Anyway... Of course I do, I also expect that because of the 2012 Olympics you'll have a fraction of the North American and European fans travelling to New Zealand who would have gone to a World Cup, I also expect allot of fans to be put off by the price and time it'll take to fly out there. The statistics you're putting out are out of date because the World Cup has moved on, it has grown considerably and this is reflected in how the World Cup in France has been phenominally successful so far. For Rugby to grow, the World Cup needs to grow and put more money back into developing the game. Regarding the comments you added to your earlier post, the NZ government copping some expenses for the world cup isn't any different to Australia of France. Does the humble state of Queensland hope to host a Rugby World Cup final in 2015? Adding some temporary seating and an east stand to Eden Park and pushing the other stadia to barely fit the requirements does not count as "giving something back". If you are barely struggling to meet the requirements then something is seriously wrong in the planning department. I have an issue with the entire process. I have an issue with horse trading to get the votes to win when there are quite blatantly far better bids out there. I especially have an issue with England wanting to host the World Cup in 2015 when the Cup should go to a nation not in the top ten who have the means to host it and not barely scrape by. Excellent generalisation there! I'm sorry but the facts on the ground in Japan simply doesn't support that statement. Right now Rugby does come a distant third behind Baseball and the J-League but thanks to the financial security that the Japanese system and its Corporate Teams guarantees as well as a gradual increase in exposure you are seeing a vast increase in crowd attendances at Top League games than you saw in its predecessor in 1999. Of course you can't change things overnight but something that can benefit Rugby in Japan is holding a huge showpeice competition in the country. One thing you underestimate about Japan and thats their ability to rally around a show peice event. Before the Football World Cup, you could hardly say that Japan were a fanatical Soccer nation and previous attempts at starting leagues had failed miserably. But come the actual competition and tickets did sell and most games were packed out. You really need to market it and make it appeal to the Japanese psyche and Rugby is starting to grow on the Japanese. Your assumption that people in Japan just don't care about Rugby just does not ring true. Actually around the time of the Football World Cup, it was surprisingly cheap to get to. You can get return tickets for around £450 and another £210 guarantees you free high speed travel around the country plus further discounts for accommodation and other things. At the end of the day, its still cheaper than flying to New Zealand. You know what really annoys me? The fact that the best bid did not win and it lost due to backroom politics and sheer selfishness of the top ten Rugby nations. That is what really annoys me. Then again, you do have the RFU's Francais Baron saying that "we don't bully anyone" before setting loose the legal dogs of war upon the Clubs of England. I'll tell you what, if you believe what your Union supremo says all the time and I'll keep on reading the newspapers. No, I could say that it depends on who can offer the most money in order to garner support and votes, but that apparently is not what goes on AT ALL (damn my cynical self) so I'll just go for the politically correct answer and say that it depends on who can hold the best, trouble free and enjoyable Rugby Tournament. On that basis, Japan blatantly had the better bid. It had a complete infrastructure of stadia, transport and accomodation in order to host the World Cup. It had it by a country mile. Ooooh, so now you're trying to say that New Zealand only won the rights to host it on a mere legal technicality and not on any other basis then? [img]http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/1/13/NAY_THEE.JPG[/img] [/QUOTE]
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