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Do they have any immediate impact on the present, or is there sole effect to influence future citings etc.?
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Off Field Yellow Cards (Attn: smartcooky)
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Speaking under correction but I think an off field Yellow followed by a normal Yellow in the next game will result in a red card.
If the match passes with no 2nd Yellow awarded against the applicable player, it is back to normal
If the match passes with no 2nd Yellow awarded against the applicable player, it is back to normal
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Bit odd... Really they should make the team start with fourteen men for the first ten minutes...
Bit pathetic that Jannie de Beer gets an off-field yellow for a silly slap while the 'Canes player that split JP Pietersen's lip gets nada. I'm not a JdB fan but damn, I can understand his frustrations. All I want from rugby is consistency which is apparently to much to ask for.
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Oh, yeah. Thanks. Now I can see that not a single Hurricanes player threw a single punch...
I say everyone that threw a punch should get a yellow for the next match meaning they'd get a red if they were guilty of foul play in the next game, that goes for JdB, Lowe, Pietersen, McLeod, everyone that was guilty of throwing a punch whether they connected or not. Its the intent that matters IMO and it should get dealt with effectively and consistently. That's the only way to get rid of it.
I say everyone that threw a punch should get a yellow for the next match meaning they'd get a red if they were guilty of foul play in the next game, that goes for JdB, Lowe, Pietersen, McLeod, everyone that was guilty of throwing a punch whether they connected or not. Its the intent that matters IMO and it should get dealt with effectively and consistently. That's the only way to get rid of it.
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Oh, yeah. Thanks. Now I can see that not a single Hurricanes players threw a single punch...
I actually can't see any (where was one?). A lot of people came flying in from both teams, but didn't see any punches. Jannie du Plessis started it with what was blatently the hardest open hand slap he could throw, therefore he gets a cited (for being a f*cking idiot). He was frustrated though out the game, and acted like a fool (there was also an incident where he drove his sholder into a player on the ground, which is also a yellow card offense).
Jannie should have gotten a red card for the next match in my opinion, open handed slap or fist punch, it does not belong in the game
Look, Jannie has some serious discipline issues and that is the no.1 why I would cry if he gets another Springbok cap and I actually think a yellow card (off-field) is a bit light for the incident and considering his track record. What I was complaining about is consistency and I for one won't believe that players get bloody lips without being punched. It doesn't show in this particular video but it happened and that's a fact. In the same breath it is also inconsistent that Jannie get off as light as he did.
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Off-Field Yellow Cards go on the player's disciplinary record, just as if they had been given a yellow card on the field, and as such, have the same effect as an on-field Yellow Card, but they have no immediate effect on the player.
The idea of the Off-Field Yellow Card has come about because acts of of foul play on the field (that attracted the attention of the citing commissioner), but weren't deemed sufficiently serious to warrant a Red Card would not be cited and therefore would not appear on the players' disciplinary record. Those situations tended to create a public perception that the player had been exonerated because they had not been cited (a good example of that from last year was Quade Cooper's knee to the head of Richie McCaw'; not cited, so some Australian media claimed that Cooper had done nothing wrong.
Its important to remember that a player's disciplinary record is never used as a factor in determining a their guilt or innocence. Its is only taken into account after they have been found guilty, as a factor in determining the length of suspension to be imposed.
I would suggest he got a bloody lip at about 0:13-0:14 of that video where the Hurricanes player pins him to the ground, his elbow looks to have made contact with his lip (which seems to happen in several occasions to different players in the clip). As the referee pointed out at the time however, it was a case of either everyone getting yellow carded, or just the instigator. While I think there are inconsistancies with citings so far, I wouldn't put this incident in the same breadth as some of the others. It's certainly not consistant JdP not getting a red card (as was the case with Paul Williams, Samoa v South Africa during the RWC for a very similar incident).
