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<blockquote data-quote="dirty harry" data-source="post: 1155855" data-attributes="member: 86934"><p>I find this discussion fascinating, I agree there is a bit of bias toward tier 1 teams but it isnt prevalent from the off. </p><p></p><p>I find it's happening in the last 10, when things are getting tighter, there is a bias that the 'stronger' team are doing the right things.</p><p></p><p>Take the scrum, it's so convoluted to ref this refs are looking for either a quick out, or guessing at random. The amount of times you see a loosey get the upper hand only to lose his bind as his opposition number folds and be penalised for it, or the front rows to collapse, and the prop over extended or hyper flex get penalised even tho it's clearly not their issue.</p><p></p><p>Let's be honest, at the breakdown a pen can be called by the ref every time, I would say if you re watch Fiji v Wales, or even more so Argentina V Japan, you will see 2 teams get away with murder at the breakdown. Carley and OKeefe try to allow play, but they allow the attacking side carte blanche. Both Fiji and Argentina constantly went beyond the ruck and found players to mess with, taking non ruck defenders off their feet etc. </p><p></p><p>Carley gets a hiding for that late Fiji surge, and partially rightly so. But he really could've called 3/4 pens against Fiji in that late period, and didnt want to yellow a 2nd Welsh player for persistent (because teams dont lose 2 players for persistent infringing). </p><p></p><p>I dont think the ref standard is all that low, I just think the pressure is huge from world rugby, the empathy for the game has gone, and refs just want to be justifiably correct, so when they sit in the analysis suite they can justify their decisions.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Makes Nigel Owen's even more impressive, understanding it was an entertainment first.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dirty harry, post: 1155855, member: 86934"] I find this discussion fascinating, I agree there is a bit of bias toward tier 1 teams but it isnt prevalent from the off. I find it's happening in the last 10, when things are getting tighter, there is a bias that the 'stronger' team are doing the right things. Take the scrum, it's so convoluted to ref this refs are looking for either a quick out, or guessing at random. The amount of times you see a loosey get the upper hand only to lose his bind as his opposition number folds and be penalised for it, or the front rows to collapse, and the prop over extended or hyper flex get penalised even tho it's clearly not their issue. Let's be honest, at the breakdown a pen can be called by the ref every time, I would say if you re watch Fiji v Wales, or even more so Argentina V Japan, you will see 2 teams get away with murder at the breakdown. Carley and OKeefe try to allow play, but they allow the attacking side carte blanche. Both Fiji and Argentina constantly went beyond the ruck and found players to mess with, taking non ruck defenders off their feet etc. Carley gets a hiding for that late Fiji surge, and partially rightly so. But he really could've called 3/4 pens against Fiji in that late period, and didnt want to yellow a 2nd Welsh player for persistent (because teams dont lose 2 players for persistent infringing). I dont think the ref standard is all that low, I just think the pressure is huge from world rugby, the empathy for the game has gone, and refs just want to be justifiably correct, so when they sit in the analysis suite they can justify their decisions. Makes Nigel Owen's even more impressive, understanding it was an entertainment first. [/QUOTE]
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