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<blockquote data-quote="Canadian_Rugger" data-source="post: 231935"><p><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DonBilly @ Dec 5 2008, 08:13 AM) <a href="http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=364950" target="_blank"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div></p><p></p><p>I can definitely attest to this atleast from a military perspective. Its a general consensus in the Canadian, American, and Brit Armed forces that troops from the continental european countries are of poor quality and of little use in an actual combat situation. I have many friends who have recently come back from Afghanistan and all they have to say about the European NATO forces excluding the Danes, Dutch, Romanians, and Brits is that they are lazy and useless and may as well not even be there. </p><p></p><p>Part of the problem in Afghanistan is that we don't have enough ground troops to actually fight the war and hold the ground. NATO has 50,000 soldiers in the country but most of those countries, germany, spain, italy, etc.. have caveats whereby there troops are not allowed to engage in any combat action whatsoever and they must remain in the North. </p><p></p><p>It is inhibiting the coalitions ability to respond effectively to the Taliban insurgency and actually get the troops where they are needed. Germany especially from what I have been told are the most useless of the lot... their soldiers are fat, they are reluctant to work and supposedly some of them are drunk half the time, as they are the only ones allowed to drink beer on OPS, they are essentially the laughing stock of NATO and its quite sad that a country with such a proud military tradition known for its strong fighting men could have fallen so far. </p><p></p><p>The Brits, Americans, Canadians, Dutch have been able numerous times to defeat the Taliban and inflict substantial casualties on them but the problem is their is nobody to hold the ground after we have removed the threat, and as soon as we leave the Taliban return. Its quite disheartening really when essentially half of NATO's fighting stock in Afghanistan is useless and may as well not even be there. </p><p></p><p>Its ok though I really didn't expect anything less as the Euro governments, at least when it comes to dealing with International issues, are known for saying one thing and then doing the complete opposite.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Canadian_Rugger, post: 231935"] <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DonBilly @ Dec 5 2008, 08:13 AM) [url='index.php?act=findpost&pid=364950']<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div> I can definitely attest to this atleast from a military perspective. Its a general consensus in the Canadian, American, and Brit Armed forces that troops from the continental european countries are of poor quality and of little use in an actual combat situation. I have many friends who have recently come back from Afghanistan and all they have to say about the European NATO forces excluding the Danes, Dutch, Romanians, and Brits is that they are lazy and useless and may as well not even be there. Part of the problem in Afghanistan is that we don't have enough ground troops to actually fight the war and hold the ground. NATO has 50,000 soldiers in the country but most of those countries, germany, spain, italy, etc.. have caveats whereby there troops are not allowed to engage in any combat action whatsoever and they must remain in the North. It is inhibiting the coalitions ability to respond effectively to the Taliban insurgency and actually get the troops where they are needed. Germany especially from what I have been told are the most useless of the lot... their soldiers are fat, they are reluctant to work and supposedly some of them are drunk half the time, as they are the only ones allowed to drink beer on OPS, they are essentially the laughing stock of NATO and its quite sad that a country with such a proud military tradition known for its strong fighting men could have fallen so far. The Brits, Americans, Canadians, Dutch have been able numerous times to defeat the Taliban and inflict substantial casualties on them but the problem is their is nobody to hold the ground after we have removed the threat, and as soon as we leave the Taliban return. Its quite disheartening really when essentially half of NATO's fighting stock in Afghanistan is useless and may as well not even be there. Its ok though I really didn't expect anything less as the Euro governments, at least when it comes to dealing with International issues, are known for saying one thing and then doing the complete opposite. [/QUOTE]
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