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<blockquote data-quote="DonBilly" data-source="post: 232033"><p><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Prestwick @ Dec 5 2008, 04:09 PM) <a href="http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=365010" target="_blank"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div></p><p> </p><p> The 21st century may well be into almost its eighth full year but remember that there has been war and bitter discourse in the Balkans and Georgia followed by treaties and declarations unilaterally transferring land from one party to another.</p><p> </p><p> The first thing that has always irked me about the European Union is the idea that it can lecture people on the ideas of peaceful co-existence and it is this holier than thou attitude (as well as its general reluctance to actually get its hands dirty) that condemned hundreds of thousands to their deaths in the Balkans during the 1990s.</p><p> </p><p> Again, comparing a people like the Pied Noir who were generally a not very nice people clinging onto a dream that was rapidly vanishing and backing to the hilt a French regime which was as savage as it was brutal and which completely backfired in the end, to compare them with around 30,000 people who live peacefully with others on the penninsula, who democractically elect their own government and who are quite happy to share the bit of rock that they're on is frankly crazy. </p><p> </p><p> You can't compare the Pied Noir with the Gibraltarians. Its a silly comparison and it gives me a migraine just trying to work out how they are similar... unless the British Army has carried out any brutal reprisals or burnt any villages on the Gibraltarian penninsular in the last fifty years? In any case, please stop using it.</p><p> </p><p> My point at the end of the day is that this is set in stone. The only way you are going to turf these peace loving and friendly 30,000 people off of the rock is by invasion. And thats the bottom line.</p><p>[/b]</p></blockquote><p></p><p>I think you are not understanding me or making too many assumptions about what I'm saying. This may be due to my bad English.</p><p></p><p>When I compared Gibraltarians and Pieds Noirs it's the fact that both are and were colonizers full stop. Nothing related to their behaviours and traditions. Gibraltarians could be angels it would be the same. There won't be a war between Spain and UK so Gilbratarians can continue peacefully occupying this piece of land. I don't hate them, I am just saying they are living in Spain that's all. I hope this is clear now.</p><p></p><p>Regarding Europe the treaties that used to be signed among the countries in conflict are no more used to settle these conflicts. For example our respective countries and many others according to the old diplomacy rules are still in war versus Germany. Anyway my point was that wars in Europe are no more concluded with these treaties. I don't think there's going to be any treaty signed between Georgia and Russia recognizing the sessession of two of the Georgian provinces. Similarly it is doubtful that Kosovo independence will be recognised through treaty by Serbia.</p><p></p><p><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Prestwick @ Dec 5 2008, 06:50 PM) <a href="http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=365059" target="_blank"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div></p><p></p><p>Solving Afghanistan issues would require not only important military resources but also helping this country to develop. Countries like Spain and Italy are not investing sufficiently in their armies while Germany has been forbidden to constitute a powerful army.</p><p></p><p>Furthermore many people are confused and think that Iraq and Afghanistan are more or less the same and don't want their countries to be/remain involved in these conflicts.</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="DonBilly, post: 232033"] <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Prestwick @ Dec 5 2008, 04:09 PM) [url='index.php?act=findpost&pid=365010']<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div> The 21st century may well be into almost its eighth full year but remember that there has been war and bitter discourse in the Balkans and Georgia followed by treaties and declarations unilaterally transferring land from one party to another. The first thing that has always irked me about the European Union is the idea that it can lecture people on the ideas of peaceful co-existence and it is this holier than thou attitude (as well as its general reluctance to actually get its hands dirty) that condemned hundreds of thousands to their deaths in the Balkans during the 1990s. Again, comparing a people like the Pied Noir who were generally a not very nice people clinging onto a dream that was rapidly vanishing and backing to the hilt a French regime which was as savage as it was brutal and which completely backfired in the end, to compare them with around 30,000 people who live peacefully with others on the penninsula, who democractically elect their own government and who are quite happy to share the bit of rock that they're on is frankly crazy. You can't compare the Pied Noir with the Gibraltarians. Its a silly comparison and it gives me a migraine just trying to work out how they are similar... unless the British Army has carried out any brutal reprisals or burnt any villages on the Gibraltarian penninsular in the last fifty years? In any case, please stop using it. My point at the end of the day is that this is set in stone. The only way you are going to turf these peace loving and friendly 30,000 people off of the rock is by invasion. And thats the bottom line. [/b][/quote] I think you are not understanding me or making too many assumptions about what I'm saying. This may be due to my bad English. When I compared Gibraltarians and Pieds Noirs it's the fact that both are and were colonizers full stop. Nothing related to their behaviours and traditions. Gibraltarians could be angels it would be the same. There won't be a war between Spain and UK so Gilbratarians can continue peacefully occupying this piece of land. I don't hate them, I am just saying they are living in Spain that's all. I hope this is clear now. Regarding Europe the treaties that used to be signed among the countries in conflict are no more used to settle these conflicts. For example our respective countries and many others according to the old diplomacy rules are still in war versus Germany. Anyway my point was that wars in Europe are no more concluded with these treaties. I don't think there's going to be any treaty signed between Georgia and Russia recognizing the sessession of two of the Georgian provinces. Similarly it is doubtful that Kosovo independence will be recognised through treaty by Serbia. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Prestwick @ Dec 5 2008, 06:50 PM) [url='index.php?act=findpost&pid=365059']<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div> Solving Afghanistan issues would require not only important military resources but also helping this country to develop. Countries like Spain and Italy are not investing sufficiently in their armies while Germany has been forbidden to constitute a powerful army. Furthermore many people are confused and think that Iraq and Afghanistan are more or less the same and don't want their countries to be/remain involved in these conflicts. [/QUOTE]
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