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<blockquote data-quote="ncurd" data-source="post: 731548" data-attributes="member: 72205"><p>I think you're misunderstanding what the difference between Polytechnics and University's were a degree of the same classification (e.g. 1st Honours Bachelor's) is exactly the same thing as something from Cambridge or a Polytechnic. The main difference is polytechnics use to specialise in more applied learning to actual jobs as opposed to being purely academic. They use to be favoured by some areas of work like Engineering for this reason. A degree is still a degree at the end of the day and basically boils down the difference between getting GCSE's at Scumbag Comprehensive and Eton. Your way more likely to do better and have to work harder to get into one but at the end of the day it's the same thing.</p><p></p><p>That's oversimplifying it a little obviously. But the main reason for Poly's changing to uni's was due to unwarranted stigma attached the courses have barely changed in terms of their root philosophy.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Fees were a big thing back in my college days(some 14 years ago now since I started) as they'd just been introduced which is one reason why I say he's kidding himself if he doesn't think kids of that age aren't poltically active. we were also going through the beginnings of Afghanistan back then and Iraq.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Finally yup I've looked at old papers as well (including the 11+) and I've never seen anything that particularly warrants the exams were easier in my day argument. The only major difference is the prevalence of calculators but they've only replaced other things kids were given in papers. The major difference I think in exam results are two things, a) teachers are way more results driven and get measured by them, they teach kids how to pass exams way more than they once use to, b) pressure is way higher on kids in my Dad's day 5 O-Levels was considered pretty good going. Me I was expected to get all A*-C in every subject, kids now only A & A* seam to count. Now we have a system thanks to the bloody idiot Gove where kids yardsticks change form year to year based on how well their other class mates do.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ncurd, post: 731548, member: 72205"] I think you're misunderstanding what the difference between Polytechnics and University's were a degree of the same classification (e.g. 1st Honours Bachelor's) is exactly the same thing as something from Cambridge or a Polytechnic. The main difference is polytechnics use to specialise in more applied learning to actual jobs as opposed to being purely academic. They use to be favoured by some areas of work like Engineering for this reason. A degree is still a degree at the end of the day and basically boils down the difference between getting GCSE's at Scumbag Comprehensive and Eton. Your way more likely to do better and have to work harder to get into one but at the end of the day it's the same thing. That's oversimplifying it a little obviously. But the main reason for Poly's changing to uni's was due to unwarranted stigma attached the courses have barely changed in terms of their root philosophy. Fees were a big thing back in my college days(some 14 years ago now since I started) as they'd just been introduced which is one reason why I say he's kidding himself if he doesn't think kids of that age aren't poltically active. we were also going through the beginnings of Afghanistan back then and Iraq. Finally yup I've looked at old papers as well (including the 11+) and I've never seen anything that particularly warrants the exams were easier in my day argument. The only major difference is the prevalence of calculators but they've only replaced other things kids were given in papers. The major difference I think in exam results are two things, a) teachers are way more results driven and get measured by them, they teach kids how to pass exams way more than they once use to, b) pressure is way higher on kids in my Dad's day 5 O-Levels was considered pretty good going. Me I was expected to get all A*-C in every subject, kids now only A & A* seam to count. Now we have a system thanks to the bloody idiot Gove where kids yardsticks change form year to year based on how well their other class mates do. [/QUOTE]
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