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<blockquote data-quote="ncurd" data-source="post: 732025" data-attributes="member: 72205"><p>Why does it take so many posts to get a reasonable response from you? Seriously it's not the first time...</p><p></p><p>First up yes most uni courses could be done in 18 month (30 for a 4 year course which usually includes a years industrial experience which you can't decrease). I'd possibly suggest longer my experience was the Final Year Project was incredibly work intensive and required 9-5 work over a period of 3-6 months for a decent passing grade at the end. However this is certainly no different from the late 70's/early 80's the type of degree you do can greatly effect the amount of self-learning you do as well. An English Lit student for example won't spend forever in classroom as they have to do a ton of reading.</p><p></p><p>I'd be interested in knowing how well those with the years industrial experience do compared to those who don't however in an area such as sales you're unlikely to see as many as most go into other kinds of jobs.</p><p></p><p>Sales is odd job in itself as (and I'm sorry if this offends this is just my experience) it requires little technical knowledge and more selling of the big picture. I'd happily argue that it's very ill suited to those from an academic background and they are way more suited towards a more behind the scenes role (engineers are expcially ill-suited to sales). I wouldn't really trust anyone except a business student in a sales role anyone else just frankly doesn't know what they are doing in trying to apply their degree. They'll be people who prove me wrong however my godfather is a man who moved form engineering to sales but does that in a slight consultancy role using his engineering knowledge to sell solutions to problems through his partners.</p><p></p><p>I do agree however a life of pure academia does not prepare students for the workplace (it's why I did a years placement....that had it's own pitfalls of not wanting the put in the work effort when returned to Uni as I knew I could earn money already...) however companies probably need to be aware of that when hiring them. What's someone like in their first real job? I imagine it isn't too different to shelf-stackers labourers in their absenteeism/time-keeping when compared to starting there (my experience tells me most young people in their first jobs are **** poor at this regardless of background). Don't get me wrong they should be getting a swift kick up the ass if they do but that should of been part of factors to think about when hiring them.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>My biggest issue though is I work in a industry (software engineering) which while does have non-university grads heavily relies on a university background of some kind as just sheer proof you can understand the conceptually what they are doing. Not saying they can't but quite a few kids come out of school/college being able to write a fair few lines of code and don't understand there's more to it than that. Sure some make it but the majority don't.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: silver"><span style="font-size: 9px">- - - Updated - - -</span></span></p><p></p><p>Another question the manual labourers/benefits guys you were hiring were they from within your company? If yes is it really surprising those with background knowledge at least in passing of your products were more likely to succeed than those who didn't?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ncurd, post: 732025, member: 72205"] Why does it take so many posts to get a reasonable response from you? Seriously it's not the first time... First up yes most uni courses could be done in 18 month (30 for a 4 year course which usually includes a years industrial experience which you can't decrease). I'd possibly suggest longer my experience was the Final Year Project was incredibly work intensive and required 9-5 work over a period of 3-6 months for a decent passing grade at the end. However this is certainly no different from the late 70's/early 80's the type of degree you do can greatly effect the amount of self-learning you do as well. An English Lit student for example won't spend forever in classroom as they have to do a ton of reading. I'd be interested in knowing how well those with the years industrial experience do compared to those who don't however in an area such as sales you're unlikely to see as many as most go into other kinds of jobs. Sales is odd job in itself as (and I'm sorry if this offends this is just my experience) it requires little technical knowledge and more selling of the big picture. I'd happily argue that it's very ill suited to those from an academic background and they are way more suited towards a more behind the scenes role (engineers are expcially ill-suited to sales). I wouldn't really trust anyone except a business student in a sales role anyone else just frankly doesn't know what they are doing in trying to apply their degree. They'll be people who prove me wrong however my godfather is a man who moved form engineering to sales but does that in a slight consultancy role using his engineering knowledge to sell solutions to problems through his partners. I do agree however a life of pure academia does not prepare students for the workplace (it's why I did a years placement....that had it's own pitfalls of not wanting the put in the work effort when returned to Uni as I knew I could earn money already...) however companies probably need to be aware of that when hiring them. What's someone like in their first real job? I imagine it isn't too different to shelf-stackers labourers in their absenteeism/time-keeping when compared to starting there (my experience tells me most young people in their first jobs are **** poor at this regardless of background). Don't get me wrong they should be getting a swift kick up the ass if they do but that should of been part of factors to think about when hiring them. My biggest issue though is I work in a industry (software engineering) which while does have non-university grads heavily relies on a university background of some kind as just sheer proof you can understand the conceptually what they are doing. Not saying they can't but quite a few kids come out of school/college being able to write a fair few lines of code and don't understand there's more to it than that. Sure some make it but the majority don't. [COLOR="silver"][SIZE=1]- - - Updated - - -[/SIZE][/COLOR] Another question the manual labourers/benefits guys you were hiring were they from within your company? If yes is it really surprising those with background knowledge at least in passing of your products were more likely to succeed than those who didn't? [/QUOTE]
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