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TRF_Feicarsinn said:
Ah, I see you've gone into 'post massive obscure articles because you can't actually make a point on your own' mode. It's all right mate.

Anyway, I fail to see how your articles help your argument at all. The second one for example:

"The Chiefs beat the Bulls last week by meeting the challenge head on. That is what you have to do against South African teams. You need strong body language, good tackle technique, smart defence and a big heart or they will come straight over the top of you. And they will keep coming."

So, essentially what Smith is saying here is that the Chiefs were able to change their style of play to overcome the Bulls. They were able to adapt their game. Sounds an awful lot like the ability New Zealand have to vary their game that I alluded to above. You're making the argument yourself in the Reds vs Sharks thread that the Sharks have been unable to adapt their style to a so called 'New Zealand' game type. This would seem to validate my point that it is the ability of New Zealand (and by extension their franchises) to vary and adapt their game that makes them the best team in the world, whereas (by your own admission) South African sides aren't able to do this to the same extent.
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What has doing the basic of rugby correctly and be disciplined to do with a style or a game plan? Are you trying to create a argument where there is none?

I don't deny the fact that South Africa won two world cups. But that's not a reflection of where they are now. They've endured a torrid couple of seasons and we highly unimpressive during the World Cup. It has looked since the 2009 end of year tours that teams have figured them out. Losses to New Zealand, Australia, Ireland, Scotland, Northampon and Saracens would seem to back this fact up. The test series against England did little to banish doubts. If I were a South African fan, I'd be far from happy.
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Do I care about a SA 2nd string side who consisted mostly from players playing in the UK lost two midweek games against two premiership sides? Nope Am I happy about the losses? Disappointed yes but happy that he is gone
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2011 we lost by two points in the WC. Tough luck. Things did not go our way. But do I worry about a 2nd string side losing to Aus and NZ away? No. We did beat NZ in the last game and we did beat England in the test series with a team put together in a week so it does not look as bad as you try to make it. We are rebuilding and a lot of young guys coming through so things do not look too bad. But are you happy with Ireland? People in glass houses shpuldn't throw stones you know.


They all broke off from Pangea, at some stage, I've never seen the different between the size of one island and the other. The continent is called Oceania, and encompasses New Zealand. In any case, this is completely beside the point. If you'd just said it was an impressive feat due to their small population at the beginning as opposed to that silly island comment I wouldn't have to deal with this baffonery.
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Oceania is not a continent. It is 25000 Islands and Nations that is spread over the Pacific region. You normally hear about Oceania with FIFA WC Qualifiers



Well done, you've completely missed the point. The point of this video was to show that England did indeed play with flair. There are some outstanding back line moves in that package. If I'd wanted to bulk up the try count I easily could have. But that's a stat, and as you say, stats are often pointless.
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Stas are not pointless. They can be looked in lot of ways. But my first post did not say they are pointless did it? Few backline moves don't mean their expansive.

But you are correct I guess SA and their teams probaly pay boring rugby
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I'm ending this argument now. I have better ways to waste my time than this. If you want to think that SOUTH AFRICA R TEH BEST!!!!1!!one1! then go ahead.
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Did I say that or are you trying to put words in my mouth? I have answered you respectfully through this entire thread. Why are you turning into a keyboard gangster and started shooting in caps?
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Good God. If you think Habana running fast down the wing is expansive then you have a problem. The Sharks and Cheetahs yes play expansive enough rugby. However the national team, the Stormers and the Bulls don't. Those three teams are the face of South African rugby.

Also negging me for thinking I negged you for insulting Ireland. Yes that annoys me but I'm not that petty. I negged you for playing true to form and dragging on a pointless argument that is at this stage pretty far removed from the original thread topic and stuff like wheter Australia is an island or not have nothing to do with it.
 
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big ginger 8 said:
Good God. If you think Habana running fast down the wing is expansive then you have a problem. The Sharks and Cheetahs yes play expansive enough rugby. However the national team, the Stormers and the Bulls don't. Those three teams are the face of South African rugby.
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Well you obviously missed that match. Fair enough.

The Bulls fax you their game plan and tell you to try and stop them. But they did score a lot of tries. Stormers face of SA feature? No. Stormers made up what 1 percent of the SA team. In case you missed it it was made up of mostly Sharks and Bulls players. Do not mind if the face of SA future is the Bulls. They signed half of the Freestate craven week team who together with Goosen ripped everyone apart at Craven week.
Then most of them went on to win the U/21 WC. They even scored the most tries in the tournament so the face of SA future is not looking to bad.
 
Shovenose said:
Well you obviously missed that match. Fair enough.

The Bulls fax you their game plan and tell you to try and stop them. But they did score a lot of tries. Stormers face of SA feature? No. Stormers made up what 1 percent of the SA team. In case you missed it it was made up of mostly Sharks and Bulls players. Do not mind if the face of SA future is the Bulls. They signed half of the Freestate craven week team who together with Goosen ripped everyone apart at Craven week.
Then most of them went on to win the U/21 WC. They even scored the most tries in the tournament so the face of SA future is not looking to bad.
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As the highest placed S.A. team then yeah the Stormers are a big part of S.A.'s image. I never said anything about the future S.A. are a strong team one of the best there is I'm not suggesting they're bad but that they play a limited gameplan and fair play if it works. Again you've gone of track.

And as I can't resist and I'm sure someone else will do it. What team was the one to beat this apparently all singing all dancing S.A. team again refresh my memory.
 
big ginger 8 said:
As the highest placed S.A. team then yeah the Stormers are a big part of S.A.'s image. I never said anything about the future S.A. are a strong team one of the best there is I'm not suggesting they're bad but that they play a limited gameplan and fair play if it works. Again you've gone of track.

And as I can't resist and I'm sure someone else will do it. What team was the one to beat this apparently all singing all dancing S.A. team again refresh my memory.
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The Stormers are being coached by Allistair Coetzee. Heinecke Meyer coach the SA team. We will play with Meyers ideas not Coetzee's. 2 Different guys with different ideas.
Yes Ireland did beat us in the opener. Good on them. Although the conditions were not the best both teams played on the same pitch and Ireland did play better on the day. But we did recover nicely to win it in the end. Even with not fielding the best XV. NZ also after a loss recover nicely to make it to the final.



lucky number 7 said:
And Australia is clearly an Island...Water all around.
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The only difference between an island and a continent is size and the biggest Island is Greenland.
 
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Yes, Island, just like Iceland and Ireland.

Yes, Ireland is also an island. A lot of people don't think so, since it's not the entire island, but they're wrong. The island is called Ireland, made up of 2 countries: The Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland. The latter being also part of the United Kingdom, not to be mistaken for Britain (which is only England, Wales and Scotland.
 
TRF_Ezequiel said:
Yes, Island, just like Iceland and Ireland.

Yes, Ireland is also an island. A lot of people don't think so, since it's not the entire island, but they're wrong. The island is called Ireland, made up of 2 countries: The Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland. The latter being also part of the United Kingdom, not to be mistaken for Britain (which is only England, Wales and Scotland.
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Yes Island
 
People living in.. erm... UK/Britain/Ireland/Wales/Scotland <-- all of them, must have a lot of fun with those circle graphs that overlap each other.
 
TRF_Feicarsinn said:
I don't deny the fact that South Africa won two world cups. But that's not a reflection of where they are now. They've endured a torrid couple of seasons and we highly unimpressive during the World Cup. It has looked since the 2009 end of year tours that teams have figured them out. Losses to New Zealand, Australia, Ireland, Scotland, Northampon and Saracens would seem to back this fact up. The test series against England did little to banish doubts. If I were a South African fan, I'd be far from happy.
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Those teams against Saracens and Northampton were nowhere near the actual team or even C team, even someone as rubbish Earl Rose was playing. Those two seasons were entirely down to Snor. No sane person would have selected Fatty Januarie.
TRF_Feicarsinn said:
I'm ending this argument now. I have better ways to waste my time than this. If you want to think that SOUTH AFRICA R TEH BEST!!!!1!!one1! then go ahead.
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When did anybody say that? Find the quote.
 

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