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<blockquote data-quote="Which Tyler" data-source="post: 1164903" data-attributes="member: 73592"><p>Have to say - from that description, it sounds like he deliberately knocked the ball forwards and upwards, with the intention of regathering it before is lands, but fails.</p><p>It also sounds like a pretty consistent application to penalise - though the card should have been yellow by that description.</p><p></p><p>The solutions in that circumstance:</p><p>A] Eyes up in defence - if you find yourself in a position where you're defending an overlap in the red zone - make sure you're defending an attacker, not the space in between them; ideally, the ball carrier.</p><p>B] Alternatively, if you go for the intercept, make sure you're close enough to get both hands on the ball, but don't go with one hand, wafting the ball up with a hope and a prayer (being deliberately harsh here).</p><p>C] Sometimes, you just have to accept that you've been beaten, and are in the wrong place to do anything that won't get you sent off. Then it's down to team tactics whether it's better to take one for the team, and go off for a yellow, or allow the opponents to score. If you're really the last man in defence, then you should also have enough awareness that giving away a yellow card offence will see the try scored anyway, with a guaranteed conversion. It can be ridiculously hard to think that way in the heat of the moment - once you've realised that you've f***ed up, you want to make amends, but compounding error upon error is rarely a good strategy (though it does seem to be one favoured by a couple of my teams).</p><p></p><p>Of course, that might be completely unfair, I've only got the written summary above to go by.</p><p></p><p></p><p>ETA: I've found the clip now (I think). If I'm right, then I'm not being even slightly harsh by saying that he wafted at the ball one handed, on a hope and a prayer. The knock on looks absolutely deliberate to me, he just hoped to collect it again, and failed.</p><p>Of course, had he succeeded in regathering the ball before it touches the ground or anyone else, he'd have got away with it. Oh, and the card is yellow, not red.</p><p></p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]KEFLl6wVz4M:105[/MEDIA]</p><p></p><p>ETA2: TBH, on slow-speed, I'm not being harsh enough, he's just looking to obstruct the pass, that the ball goes upwards and he nearly regathers is incidental to his first movement. His thought process appears to be "oh sh<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">i</span>t, I've been beaten and he's got the pass away before I've made my tackle".</p><p>As for consistency - that's certainly how it's been reff.d in the NH for well over a decade. To be inconcsistent, we'd need to see repeated occassions of a tackler deliberately moving a single hand towards the ball as it's passed before he gets his tackle in, with the ball going forwards, not being regathered, and NOT being considered a deliberate knock on.</p><p>Hell, even if he doesn't move his hand towards the ball, but just leaves it out there, it's usually considered a deliberate knock on (exception being that the hand out there is a natural position to be in to complete the tackle)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Which Tyler, post: 1164903, member: 73592"] Have to say - from that description, it sounds like he deliberately knocked the ball forwards and upwards, with the intention of regathering it before is lands, but fails. It also sounds like a pretty consistent application to penalise - though the card should have been yellow by that description. The solutions in that circumstance: A] Eyes up in defence - if you find yourself in a position where you're defending an overlap in the red zone - make sure you're defending an attacker, not the space in between them; ideally, the ball carrier. B] Alternatively, if you go for the intercept, make sure you're close enough to get both hands on the ball, but don't go with one hand, wafting the ball up with a hope and a prayer (being deliberately harsh here). C] Sometimes, you just have to accept that you've been beaten, and are in the wrong place to do anything that won't get you sent off. Then it's down to team tactics whether it's better to take one for the team, and go off for a yellow, or allow the opponents to score. If you're really the last man in defence, then you should also have enough awareness that giving away a yellow card offence will see the try scored anyway, with a guaranteed conversion. It can be ridiculously hard to think that way in the heat of the moment - once you've realised that you've f***ed up, you want to make amends, but compounding error upon error is rarely a good strategy (though it does seem to be one favoured by a couple of my teams). Of course, that might be completely unfair, I've only got the written summary above to go by. ETA: I've found the clip now (I think). If I'm right, then I'm not being even slightly harsh by saying that he wafted at the ball one handed, on a hope and a prayer. The knock on looks absolutely deliberate to me, he just hoped to collect it again, and failed. Of course, had he succeeded in regathering the ball before it touches the ground or anyone else, he'd have got away with it. Oh, and the card is yellow, not red. [MEDIA=youtube]KEFLl6wVz4M:105[/MEDIA] ETA2: TBH, on slow-speed, I'm not being harsh enough, he's just looking to obstruct the pass, that the ball goes upwards and he nearly regathers is incidental to his first movement. His thought process appears to be "oh sh[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]i[/COLOR]t, I've been beaten and he's got the pass away before I've made my tackle". As for consistency - that's certainly how it's been reff.d in the NH for well over a decade. To be inconcsistent, we'd need to see repeated occassions of a tackler deliberately moving a single hand towards the ball as it's passed before he gets his tackle in, with the ball going forwards, not being regathered, and NOT being considered a deliberate knock on. Hell, even if he doesn't move his hand towards the ball, but just leaves it out there, it's usually considered a deliberate knock on (exception being that the hand out there is a natural position to be in to complete the tackle) [/QUOTE]
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