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[RWC2019][Pool B] Round 1 - New Zealand vs. South Africa (21/09/2019)
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<blockquote data-quote="Umaga&#039;s Witness" data-source="post: 959279" data-attributes="member: 65365"><p>great game.</p><p>it must be hard on the players when some refs have different rules to other refs. According to Garces, hands are allowed in rucks, but you are allowed to hold onto the ball. It went both ways, didn't favour either team. Credit to Savea in the second half realising how the game was being reffed. he got 3 or 4 turnovers, maybe 2 of which he wouldn't under a different ref, but then there were another 2-3 he should have got if the tackled player wasn't allowed to hold on (actually there was inconsistency here, because he did win 1 penalty for them holding on). it must be hard on everyone when refs are inconsistent.</p><p>it was actually the worst game I've seen Ardie play in recent memory, but gettign turnovers is massive and he did that readily when at 7 in the second half (all of his turnovers were when he was at 7, so a pretty crazy rate for 40 mins. but he didn't do much else, except a few missed tackles, and was ineffective at 6 in the first half.</p><p>Cane was very good.</p><p></p><p>I'll have to taek back seom comments about who the best front row is for the boks, because Kitschoff was immense. feel bad for trev.</p><p></p><p>good analysis, as always.</p><p>re-b.smith, I actually like him in this role. I've been saying for a while now that in wolrd cups you should pick your finishing 15 first. bender has to be in that, probably few would argue. the question then becomes, should he also be in the starting 15? I like the idea that he will be fresh; he is a leader in the team, and I like the idea that he can really lead form the front when coming on fresh, spotting opportunities and just being everywhere, taking control.</p><p>regarding ALB I'm glad he is a first choice now (at least I think he is, could just be that others have ****les). He's been my favourite player since before he could make the starting lineup at the chiefs, because I've always liked the way he plays, and saw great potential. He is now consistently living up to that potential.</p><p></p><p>aha,</p><p></p><p>the assistant refs certainly don't seem to do much assisting. the main ref can't look at everything ( I accidentally wrote "anything", then had to correct it. Freudian slip perhaps)</p><p></p><p></p><p>i thought he released the player. which subjective judgement takes priority, 'clearly release' or 'place the ball immediately'? But yeah, i wondered about the PSDT one. Rucks are so ambiguously, contradictorily, reffed.</p><p></p><p>himself</p><p></p><p>not even close to true. just very poor reffing all around and most people only able to see one side of it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Umaga's Witness, post: 959279, member: 65365"] great game. it must be hard on the players when some refs have different rules to other refs. According to Garces, hands are allowed in rucks, but you are allowed to hold onto the ball. It went both ways, didn't favour either team. Credit to Savea in the second half realising how the game was being reffed. he got 3 or 4 turnovers, maybe 2 of which he wouldn't under a different ref, but then there were another 2-3 he should have got if the tackled player wasn't allowed to hold on (actually there was inconsistency here, because he did win 1 penalty for them holding on). it must be hard on everyone when refs are inconsistent. it was actually the worst game I've seen Ardie play in recent memory, but gettign turnovers is massive and he did that readily when at 7 in the second half (all of his turnovers were when he was at 7, so a pretty crazy rate for 40 mins. but he didn't do much else, except a few missed tackles, and was ineffective at 6 in the first half. Cane was very good. I'll have to taek back seom comments about who the best front row is for the boks, because Kitschoff was immense. feel bad for trev. good analysis, as always. re-b.smith, I actually like him in this role. I've been saying for a while now that in wolrd cups you should pick your finishing 15 first. bender has to be in that, probably few would argue. the question then becomes, should he also be in the starting 15? I like the idea that he will be fresh; he is a leader in the team, and I like the idea that he can really lead form the front when coming on fresh, spotting opportunities and just being everywhere, taking control. regarding ALB I'm glad he is a first choice now (at least I think he is, could just be that others have ****les). He's been my favourite player since before he could make the starting lineup at the chiefs, because I've always liked the way he plays, and saw great potential. He is now consistently living up to that potential. aha, the assistant refs certainly don't seem to do much assisting. the main ref can't look at everything ( I accidentally wrote "anything", then had to correct it. Freudian slip perhaps) i thought he released the player. which subjective judgement takes priority, 'clearly release' or 'place the ball immediately'? But yeah, i wondered about the PSDT one. Rucks are so ambiguously, contradictorily, reffed. himself not even close to true. just very poor reffing all around and most people only able to see one side of it. [/QUOTE]
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