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[RWC2019][Pool B] Round 1 - New Zealand vs. South Africa (21/09/2019)
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<blockquote data-quote="TRF_stormer2010" data-source="post: 959286" data-attributes="member: 39190"><p>My reasoning behind saying SA vs England in the final isn't that I feel we now have an easier route to the final. Quite the contrary probably. This is assuming the rest of the tournament pans out as 99% of people will expect of course which of course it mighn't. Its more to do with the fact that personally I see our probable route as a good build up: Italy into Ireland into Wales into the final. I don't buy into comments that a pro team can't get up for 3 tier 1 games. My reason for picking SA here is mostly because I am South African. It can just as easily be one of Ireland or Wales. </p><p></p><p>On the other side of it NZ will coast until they meat England or France in the semi. I see them 'chocking' to either as likely as not as I don't think they are quite as good as most NZ fans believe them to be. In this game I feel they won it even less than SA lost it TBH. NZers keep harping on about Mapimpi "should of gotten yellow" and oh my mile offside. That is Garces. He was just being consistent as that was what your boys were doing for the first 20 at the other end of the field. It was one of two things Mapimpi actually got right IMO. </p><p></p><p>This is going to sound like sour grapes and a complaint and to a degree it is but also it isn't as Garces is/should've been a known quantity. Its not as much those 3 or 4 one off poor calls/non-calls but his general handling of the game I feel SA fans are sour with and NZ fans seemingly just don't see which I feel painted this match (on top of some horrendous play by us TBF!). Other referees probably won't allow the ABs to clear their rucks from the side every other time and will be more likely to penalize players holding onto the ball on the deck. NZ tacklers trying to get away from the ball after the tackle but on the SA side.. The scrums Garces seemingly always has wrong as well. How many times did NZ get a free kick or penalty while they had hands on the ground, illegally bound or coming in on the tight head at such an angle I feared for their ribs. Even one scrum where we domintaed despite this we got pinged. We got one token penalty when it was 10 down with 1 minute to go. We stood up and ironically clapped the call in front of the TV.</p><p></p><p>Now credit to NZ they played what they got and took their chances better and thoroughly deserve the win. I just got this feeling that this NZ team isn't a championship side. I don't buy into comments saying that NZ can "turn on their new style at will to put the game in the bag and no-one can live with it". I just don't believe things are so scripted. I might be wrong. Might just be sour grapes or frustration with a few of our performances (Faf especially LOL but there were a few others) informing my thoughts. Who knows. I do know we were two scores away from tying/winning in a match we had no right being close there were so many issues with our approach and we just couldn't adapt to the ref. I think some of the NH top sides will be fancying their chances as well.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TRF_stormer2010, post: 959286, member: 39190"] My reasoning behind saying SA vs England in the final isn't that I feel we now have an easier route to the final. Quite the contrary probably. This is assuming the rest of the tournament pans out as 99% of people will expect of course which of course it mighn't. Its more to do with the fact that personally I see our probable route as a good build up: Italy into Ireland into Wales into the final. I don't buy into comments that a pro team can't get up for 3 tier 1 games. My reason for picking SA here is mostly because I am South African. It can just as easily be one of Ireland or Wales. On the other side of it NZ will coast until they meat England or France in the semi. I see them 'chocking' to either as likely as not as I don't think they are quite as good as most NZ fans believe them to be. In this game I feel they won it even less than SA lost it TBH. NZers keep harping on about Mapimpi "should of gotten yellow" and oh my mile offside. That is Garces. He was just being consistent as that was what your boys were doing for the first 20 at the other end of the field. It was one of two things Mapimpi actually got right IMO. This is going to sound like sour grapes and a complaint and to a degree it is but also it isn't as Garces is/should've been a known quantity. Its not as much those 3 or 4 one off poor calls/non-calls but his general handling of the game I feel SA fans are sour with and NZ fans seemingly just don't see which I feel painted this match (on top of some horrendous play by us TBF!). Other referees probably won't allow the ABs to clear their rucks from the side every other time and will be more likely to penalize players holding onto the ball on the deck. NZ tacklers trying to get away from the ball after the tackle but on the SA side.. The scrums Garces seemingly always has wrong as well. How many times did NZ get a free kick or penalty while they had hands on the ground, illegally bound or coming in on the tight head at such an angle I feared for their ribs. Even one scrum where we domintaed despite this we got pinged. We got one token penalty when it was 10 down with 1 minute to go. We stood up and ironically clapped the call in front of the TV. Now credit to NZ they played what they got and took their chances better and thoroughly deserve the win. I just got this feeling that this NZ team isn't a championship side. I don't buy into comments saying that NZ can "turn on their new style at will to put the game in the bag and no-one can live with it". I just don't believe things are so scripted. I might be wrong. Might just be sour grapes or frustration with a few of our performances (Faf especially LOL but there were a few others) informing my thoughts. Who knows. I do know we were two scores away from tying/winning in a match we had no right being close there were so many issues with our approach and we just couldn't adapt to the ref. I think some of the NH top sides will be fancying their chances as well. [/QUOTE]
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